“On the CBC Radio Early Edition this morning [13 Nov 2012], a few minutes before 7:00 am, Rick Cluff interviewed CMHC market analyst Robyn Adamache, who will be speaking this morning at the CMHC conference in Vancouver. No mention at all of a bubble, and the typical positive spin — “market may decline 1% in 2013” — but there were a couple of interesting things. She said Vancouver (I’m assuming broadly across the Lower Mainland) is down 9% from the 2011 peak. I’m assuming she has access to comprehensive and current data not generally available. And at the end of the interview, with Cluff pushing her pretty heavily on whether now was a good time to buy, given the price slump, she adamantly remained on the fence, and wouldn’t state an opinion. Rather interesting if you’re saying, at the same time, that the market will be stable in 2013.
There may be some followup stories in the local media about the half-day CMHC conference, although I doubt there will be any great revelations, or admissions of any impending serious problems with RE. Given CMHC’s role in all of this, they are probably controlling their message pretty carefully these days.”
– Froogle Scott, via e-mail to vreaa, 13 & 14 Nov 2012
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The crack pusher’s analyst is on the fence about her own product?
We’re screwed.
It seems CMHC is seeing reason to hesitate.
CMHC is virtually bankrupt. If you look at their balance sheet, there is no way they are going to survive an 10% correction nationwide. She’s about to look for another job in the near future…
Comrades! Pay no attention to the infirm and feeble minded analyst!
Strongly recommend continued resolute purchases in this treaty port!
Onward and upward!
“The Gods of wealth enter the home from everywhere, wealth, treasures and peace beckon!” [Lulu caishen jin jiamen, zhao cai zhao bao zhao ping’an (路路财神近家门, 招财招宝肇平安)]
http://tinyurl.com/c79c4yx
I’ve seen this before, but I’ve never noticed the piles of American cash! Haha
How can anyone really take CMHC analyses seriously? Don’t forget that our distinguished BCREA scholar economist Cameron Muir formerly held the CMHC analyst job.
Exactly. IMHO, this industry is too large (and likely TBTF like financial services) with all players involved having too much of a vested interest in lining their pockets with obscene amounts of $$$ while the gettin’ is good and not a care in the world about what the eventual outcome will be.
Meanwhile, in other news…CMHC pulls plug on “condo speculator survey”…shocker…never saw that coming.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/economy-lab/data-on-condo-speculators-prove-elusive/article5258051
Again it shows whose running this country – The RE developers.
Comrade, no 50 cents for you!
Why are you attempting to sow discord and unharmonious sentiment among the local populace?
CMHC must have moral hazard to bias them not to talk market down. It’s one thing to talk to facts of about what has happened, aka the 9% drop, if that is accurate. It’s another to forecast a second year of dropping like that which would mean nearly a 20% hit or nearly all their client base that purchased in last couple years underwater. The latter comment implying risk on the CMHC books.
Vancouver is very cheap! Very affordable! Buy now! We are the Hong Kong of Canada!…compared to Hong Kong, China http://www.theprovince.com/business/Hong+Kong+condo+sells+nearly+million/7540995/story.html
This theme is outdated.
Totally agree. Many Chinese already have one foot out the door now. I’m sure Premier Dix will be more than happy to hold the door open for them too.
One foot out the door, two passports in the pocket.
“One foot out the door, two passports in the pocket.”
Bwahahaha! I’m using that phrase and calling it my own.
Leo, are you implying that Vancouver is becoming a Chinese outpost?
Its what the RE developers keep telling us.
The the from-China- Chinois rich sees Canadian real estate as cheap in comparison. Why wouldn’t they buy here? http://www.mondaq.com/canada/x/205346/real+estate/Hong+Kong+Investment+in+Canadian+Real+Estate. I’m being sarcastic as well as. We are nothing like Hong Kong but think we belong up there with the likes of HK and NYC.
Let me guess, the buyer was either a member of the Communist party, a chinese dotcom billionaire or a drug dealer. Vancouver is at best the San Diego or Portland of Canada. Didn’t the Province also do an article which compared Robson St to the Champs Elysees?
With Vanc’s status as the so called best place on Earth in addition to being the former hosts of the winter Olympics, how come we weren’t able to place a single property on this list?
http://www.cntraveler.com/gold-list/2012/platinum-circle#slide=1
(and no, Tofino and Whistler don’t count)
We’re the San Diego of Canada (but without the decent weather).
I was wondering why these guys look at averages when there are far better measures of market strength out there, then I realised they care about volume*average_price, not any same-sales or hedonic measures because it tells them nothing about their issuance volumes.
Stick with Teranet and MLS-HPI. If you like eating soup with a fork, go with the average. If anyone cites average prices it’s an indication they’re trying to sell you insurance or debt.
On a related note, I’m sure we can pull up some previous CMHC predictions of 2012 for Vancouver and see how they fared, from “The Archives”. As of now it’s looking like we’ll be down about -4% in mid-winter (according to Teranet).
don’t recall … how does teranet treat new construction?
If a new construction or another reno significantly increases the value of the property above what other properties are indicating, the datum is excluded on grounds of material change to utility.
If a newly-constructed property is sold, then resold, it would be included in the dataset.
thanks … it was something that has bothered me about paired comps … where there is a lot of new or reno
rod, the Teranet methodology won’t catch all instances. For example someone can do a relatively minor reno but still book a decent price increase (say kitchen worth $40K). There are a few checks they have for this and estimate the amount of renos and depreciations will roughly balance out. It’s worth noting that to tread water as per the Teranet index it requires the structure to be in roughly the same condition under which it was bought. Those who see their structures degrade and don’t keep them up with a reasonable amount of maintenance costs will be disappointed in the returns vis a vis the benchmark.
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1287268–canadian-debt-loads-reach-another-record-high