It’s Where Nature Is – “We take a hit; it’s more expensive for us to live in Vancouver. We choose to live here because it’s where our family and friends are, and where nature is.”

“We take a hit; it’s more expensive for us to live in Vancouver. We choose to live here because it’s where our family and friends are and where nature is,” says one Vancouverite.
– from ‘Thousands of people leaving BC for other provinces’, news1300.com, 16 Aug 2012

The bubble RE has been fuelled by preposterous claims and beliefs about our fine city. People had to tell themselves ridiculous stories to justify overextending themselves into overvalued RE.
“Best Place On Earth” was one.
“It’s Where Nature Is” appears to be another.
– vreaa

30 responses to “It’s Where Nature Is – “We take a hit; it’s more expensive for us to live in Vancouver. We choose to live here because it’s where our family and friends are, and where nature is.”

  1. pricedoutfornow

    This is Canada, for goodness’ sakes-where ISN’T there “nature”???

  2. Yeah the same ‘nature’ where you get attacked by a racoon like the lady downtown!

  3. “The human brain is a complex organ with the wonderful power of enabling man to find reasons for continuing to believe whatever it is that he wants to believe.”
    ― Voltaire

    Reality be damned. Isn’t self delusion great?!

  4. “It’s Where Nature Is”

    Well, if you interpret “Nature” as meaning “wilderness” then yes, most parts of Canada are full of “Nature”.

    But I would think the BC probably has the greatest diversity of outdoor recreational activities of any province in Canada. Quebec is very good too.

    If you want to live in a large-ish city with immediate access to a huge number of outdoor activities then Vancouver is a great choice, and probably one of the best in the world. (Ignoring all other factors, of course.)

    • Truth. I just got back from a week in Europe and the most ‘nature’ I saw in any of the cities were a few parks. Munich had a massive, almost Stanley Park, sized one, but it had far less trees and more fields. They did have beer gardens sprinkeled all over the place though. That was cool.

  5. And in Vancouver, you can sail and ski on the same day. It’s all the rage!

    • These pretzels are making me thirsty

      If this is your argument about what makes a city great then tell me
      how many times in your life have you sailed and skied in the same day??

    • There are plenty of places where you can’t even do one of those things in a single day unless you have a private jet. But there a many places you can, and where RE is a lot cheaper than here.

    • Pretzels: it’s called sarcasm.

  6. Hey nobody’s stopping anyone from overpaying. What I take issue with is not admitting it’s overpaying!

    But this comment may be describing why people accept lower incomes and higher expenses in Vancouver compared to other cities. Fine and dandy — expensive desirable city is expensive and desirable — but it misses what’s going on IMO.

  7. Oh. My. Goodness.

    Some people need to get out more.

    Note to Vancouverites: sharing the Grouse Grind with a kajillion fitness nuts is not nature. It’s stupid.

  8. I moved here mainly because of the outdoors. The trade-off I expected (and accepted) was for fewer career opportunities. I don’t think it is unreasonable to make a similar argument regarding housing costs IF you take advantage of what’s available (and I don’t mean walking the sea wall or hitting whistler a couple of days a year). I doubt that’s more than 5% of the population.

  9. The funny thing is that you can find multiple other cities in North America with great hiking and skiiing and much much lower costs of living. Like that Americanized shithole known as Calgary which in the past four or so years has learned that it can have a metropolitan culture too (remember that Vancouver once was a white, suburban, sanitized, deodorized, homogenized wasteland as well.) Or maybe Seattle, Portland, or Denver. And then there’s LA and San Diego, each with some of their own problems, but fantastic weather, beaches that are useful year-round with parks, cultural centres and art galleries that sort of piss on little provincial Vancouver. If you can tolerate winter of any sort, you have Toronto and Montreal, far more culture and diversity, lower cost of living and a city where you can actually find 24-hr coffee shops rather than piddly small town thinking Vancouver.

    Yup, best place on earth. Nothing is as good as Vancouver. The social narrative that Vancouverites use to make themselves feel better about poor career opportunities and overpaying for just about everything is remarkable. The housing and cost of living bubble with its accompanying cognitive dissonance is to Vancouver as the sustainability and environmental impact of the oil industry is to Calgary. In both cases, those of us with analytical tendencies and the ability to put our tribal one-one-upmanship and house horny tendencies aside see the bullshit for what it really is.

  10. Family and friends are a strong draw… nature, not so much. You can leave your family and miss their support. You can leave your friends and miss the bonds you had and that take so much to make anew. Nature? That’s everywhere. And it is even better when you don’t need an umbrella most of the time.

  11. Nature, my ass. Try diving in Burrard Inlet, you won’t see much life. Check out any forest within an hour of downtown, it has all been logged before. If you want nature you need to get out of Vancouver…try Tofino with a stop by Cathedral Grove on the way to see what forests used to look like when they were “natural”. There are so many more natural spots close by, if you want this go to a smaller town. What Vancouver offers is a nice recreational location. But forget this argument, everyone thinks where they grew up is the BPOE; it’s human nature.

    • Well, there is great outdoor stuff to do around Vancouver. But it’s no different than basically the rest of Canada that way. No major city – even Toronto – is really that far from great scenery, hiking, whatever.

      The difference between most of the rest of Canada – most of the rest of BC even – and Vancouver is around YVR you are inundated with crowds everywhere you go.

      Nice weekend swim at Bunsen Lake? Crowds.

      Nice Saturday morning out trout fishing at some lake in Maple Ridge? Crowds.

      Hiking up Seymour or Cypress? Crowds.

      Grouse? Crowds, crowds, crowds… plus it’s an ugly hike.

      Whistler? Crowds. Have fun parking.

      Head to the Island? Book a few days because you’ll be waiting for the ferry in crowds.

      Elsewhere in Canada? Yeah, there are crowded places. But it’s easy enough to drive an extra 20 minutes to find somewhere that you’re mainly on your own.

      Navel gazers in YVR. Yeesh.

  12. Wow, that’s just bizarre. I always define “nature” as the stuff that happens outside cities. All cities.

  13. “I can be on the slopes in 20 minutes”

    Fact: Nobody has ever been on the slopes in 20 minutes.

    • On the slopes in 20? Piece of Pie. Easy as Cake. Beating the traffic back home, however… often requires extraordinary cunning. BaseJumping acumen helps, too….

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