“Some people claim that they don’t care if prices go down since they are buying a ‘home’ and not an investment, but I doubt they know what the reality feels like.”

“We had lived here in Squamish for about 14 years when we bought a townhouse at Highland Glen. Almost as soon as we bought, prices went down to the point where we had lost the deposit that we had paid and would have had to pay out of pocket for any realty fees if we had sold. I hated that feeling of having overpaid. Even though we had just bought and had no intention of selling it used to eat me up that we were for all intents and purposes underwater. Some people claim that they don’t care if prices go down since they are buying a “home” and not an investment, but I doubt they know what the reality feels like. Personally I’m glad that we had that experience, it gave me a short, sharp lesson in the fact that real estate can go down as well as up.
Five years later we saw that things were on the up swing and decided to buy a house. By this stage prices had recovered to the point that we would be able to sell for the price that we had bought five years earlier. By some stroke of brilliance/luck we decided to keep the townhouse and rent it out when we bought the house. That year house prices went up 28%, a very nice year to own two properties. A year later we sold the townhouse and reinvested in another property outside of Squamish that had a better cash flow. Renting the TH for 1 year resulted in a capital gain of $100k- Lesson number two: House prices can go up as well as down.
Over the next seven years the value of our house increased rapidly, more than doubling. Our investment property also doubled and I saw that we had likely maximised the short term capital and decided to sell- Lesson three – paper gains are just that until you sell. This set us up to being open to sell our principle residence when we saw that the market was declining. If we had got super lucky we could have made another 100k by selling a bit earlier.
Many of our friends thought we were mad selling the house, I think they are mad not crystallizing their once in a lifetime capital gains. What can’t continue won’t continue. Anyway we are happy renting for now and will continue until it makes sense to buy, which I don’t see happening any time soon.”

– <a href="http://vancouvercondo.info/2012/03/friday-free-for-all-195.html#comments”>Bailing in BC at VCI 4 Mar 2012 at 1:38am
[Part of Bailing’s story has previously been told on this site. -ed.]

11 responses to ““Some people claim that they don’t care if prices go down since they are buying a ‘home’ and not an investment, but I doubt they know what the reality feels like.”

  1. What they used to say:

    “A home the most important investment you can make.”

    What they’re saying now:

    “I’m buying a home, not an investment.”

    The change in language homebuyers use to justify the purchase of overpriced assets reflects the changing sales pitches they’re hearing from their realtors, their friends, their parents and the banks.

  2. Very unusual to see someone who is aware of the speculative component of their house. Interesting that Bailing credits the initial loss for that understanding.

  3. Saying it’s just a home and not an investment sounds nice, but experience in other locales indicates the investment component is very important in the face of losses

    • It’s kind of funny now that you mention that. I notice that the last big comeback you get from anyone when arguing in favor of selling off their overpriced homes while at the top is almost always like this….. “I don’t care if prices fall..I really don’t care. That’s my house. I plan to live there so it doesn’t matter. Not one little bit”

      The basic idea is that is supposed to shut up people like us who object to the housing casino and also to make all the bad thoughts go away. It is kind of the equivalent of an eight year old plugging his ears and shouting “Na Na na na na na na na na!!!!”

  4. People get ahead in life with the equity from their homes. Buying a the top of a bubble can basically put you in a position where you are not building any equity at all. It’s like renting, but with a down payment. Each and every monthly payment is thrown into the garbage. You can only know by experience. Or you know by learning from watching other peoples mistakes.

  5. Every buyer for the last 7+ years has been a speculator, whether they know it or not. The ‘investment’ component makes it so.
    Long-promised article on this to follow sometime; perhaps soon.

    • Agreed. Would they buy if prices weren’t going up?

    • Great idea for an article. Looking forward to it. It has become obvious that even the tiniest of corrections will put hundreds of thousands of people underwater. What would a serious correction look like?

      As it is, you can have negative equity from day one if the bank has effectively given you the down payment money back to invest in renos. Why this practice is being permitted is beyond me but it should be illegal.

  6. LS in Arbutus

    In a market like this, people think buying a home is first and foremost an investment and NOT a home. They justify spending as much as they do with as little as they know, because real estate can only go up.

    Obviously, in the US, people have changed their mind set as they now know that owning a house is not the greatest financial investment.

    It will happen here as well. In a downtown people start saying it’s a “home” and not an “investment”, however, once the market falls fast enough, that thinking goes out the window extremely fast and people want out of their investment, I mean home, I mean investment! You know what I “mean”.

  7. Denial phase of a bubble…

  8. nobody you know

    Speaking of “I don’t care if prices go down”, SeattleBubble.com ran a little poll on Sunday:

    Most people I know who bought 2005-2007…

    …have already walked away. (8%, 16 Votes)
    …are planning to walk away soon. (8%, 16 Votes)
    …sold their home short, or are trying to. (6%, 12 Votes)
    …have resigned themselves to being stuck. (63%, 124 Votes)
    …love their home & don’t care that they overpaid. (15%, 30 Votes)

    Yeah, that’s right. It turns out that only 15% of bubble buyers enjoy lighting money on fire (or at least claim to enjoy it). Funny how that works.

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