“In Victoria a 100 year old, 2bd 1 ba, 700 sqft. POS house that needs asbestos remediation in a dodgy neighbourhood costs $400K. That same $400K in Seattle buys me a 5 year old, 4bd 2.5 ba, 2000 sqft. house in a very desirable neighbourhood.”

“I live in Victoria, which is only 3/4 as stupidly expensive as Vancouver. My wife and I are both dual citizens and have lived and worked in both countries. We have family in Victoria, Vancouver and Seattle. How we decide where to settle has less to do with being near in-laws or love of country and more with where we can do the best for our own little family and get the most value for our money.
Here in Vic, I can buy a 100 year old, 2bd 1 ba, 700 sq. ft. POS house that needs asbestos remediation in a neighbourhood I wouldn’t want my wife walking around after dark for $400,000. That same $400,000 in Seattle buys me a 5 year old, 4bd 2.5 ba, 2000 sq. ft. house in a very desirable neighbourhood with some of the best public schools in Washington state.
I lived in the States before, during and after the bubble. When that sucker burst it was ugly and has created a permanent underclass of bubble buyers. If that were to happen here it might make real estate less expensive but I’m not sure people are prepared for the inevitable economic and political fallout. The cheaper house prices will be a wafer-thin silver lining on an otherwise very dark storm cloud that will hang over this region for many years. I’d rather not live through that again.
I don’t think any price drop would get me to stay. Mind you, I’m in a different situation than most as the border is not an obstacle and we’ve got family all over, but I would still encourage those who don’t have US citizenship to explore their options and keep an open mind when considering where to settle.”

‘nobody you know’ at VREAA 3 Dec 2011 10:09am [A follow up to ‘We Came; We Saw; We’re Leaving’ statement by ‘nobody you know’ 2 Dec 2011.]

11 responses to ““In Victoria a 100 year old, 2bd 1 ba, 700 sqft. POS house that needs asbestos remediation in a dodgy neighbourhood costs $400K. That same $400K in Seattle buys me a 5 year old, 4bd 2.5 ba, 2000 sqft. house in a very desirable neighbourhood.”

  1. Victoria is different, they have rich insert subgroup here.

  2. Great post.

    When the bubble pops Vancouver is going to get very very ugly. Road rage, theft, violence, drugs….cats and dogs living together, total mayhem. This is now factoring into my decision process about staying. All these house monkeys are already stressed with debt – once prices stop this crazy climb they’re gonna be pissed.

    And if the US is starting to emerge from its Great Recession as we slide into the depths then maybe Seattle could be a good place to hide for a while….

    • ive been thinking the same thing! everytime i meet someone from the island, interior or the prairies, i cant help but wish our local peers (and imported peers) were as civil and easy going.

      the only proof you need of the disorder beneath the surface is A FEW HOURS OF RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC BETWEEN VANCOUVER AND RICHMOND every week, or if you’re a real masochist, drive from downtown to maple ridge or south surrey at 5pm.

      anyone who’s lived here for a long time knows the traffic has never been worse and the drivers themselves are really getting nasty/petty/selfish – no doubt all in a rush to get from job to job to pay into the investment portfo- i mean mortgage.

      i see roadrage and flat out reckless driving everyday – no one has any regard for anyone else out there anymore, let alone the rules – while i’m on the sopabox, we might want to start thinking about putting an additional 10 languages’ words for STOP under the english on our stop signs, since its obvious that its become an irrelevancy here.

      keep the british in british columbia, and for sakes, STOP BEFORE THE CROSSWALK, DO NOT NOSE OUT FOR A LEFT TURN BEHIND THE LAST CAR ON A YELLOW AND THEN SIT IN THE INTERSECTION FOR 5 MINUTES LIKE A MORON, OR WORSE NEARLY T-BONE A MINIVAN AS YOU FLAGRANTLY FLOUT OUR LAWS.

      alberta here we come, RIP Vancouver, at least we had the 90s.

    • amen for being of ICE approved ethnicity – no need for paperwork

  3. “where we can do the best for our own little family and get the most value for our money”

    then, seriously, why have u not settled in seatle?

    • because,

      unlike some people

      we are canadians

      and we dont want to leave our country

      • “we are canadians and we dont want to leave our country”

        I can’t tell if this reply was tongue-and-cheek. If not, I disagree with you.

        In the spirit of globalization, I have no patriotism whatsoever and I am happy to migrate around the globe in pursuit of the almighty buck.

  4. Ah, Seattle. I remember when it was different there. The locals all crowed about how the housing bust wouldn’t affect them, though I don’t remember their exact reasons.

    http://ycharts.com/indicators/case_shiller_home_price_index_seattle#compInd=case_shiller_home_price_index_national_&zoom=10

  5. relative in victoria owns sfh and rents out basement. survey of neighborhood (*) p/r’s not that far out on recent numbers (i.e. yields ~7%). their floor based on fundamentals is in sight today, of course, such floors need not be firm and fundamentals can go south. it’s a govt town though. maybe the hst premium is holding things up some. 🙂

    (*) thanks, fred. of course i don’t really talk like that offline. but we all have to maintain some sort of persona for practical reasons.

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