“Vancouver isn’t vibrant or exciting, it’s as dead as a doornail. It isn’t a big city, a world class city or even really a city. It’s a large sleepy tourist village that wishes it matters on the world stage.”

“Downtown Vancouver isn’t vibrant or exciting, it’s as dead as a doornail. I lived in False Creek for 11 years so I know how bland and lame that town is. Dining was also bland and uninspired. Vancouverites to this day are the most arrogant closed off unworldly bunch I have ever met. Far worse than Americans, and I’m in the Southern USA now. What baffles me is that people actually pay to live there. I love living in the USA now, as a dual citizen and we’ll never go back to Canada. I couldn’t justify doing my MBA with zero real career prospects in the Vancouver ‘business district’ (laughable) and then driving up and down Broadway, Granville and Seymour thinking that bubble tea, camping, fishing and the Canucks is actually worth living there for and deluding myself in thinking it’s cosmopolitan. It isn’t a big city, a world class city or even really a city. It’s a large sleepy tourist village that wishes it matters on the world stage and the propaganda there just proves it. I hate Vancouver so much it makes my blood boil and get angry even thinking about it. I went to GNS private school in Victoria BC in Oak Bay. The lot of my old classmates either moved away to live in real cities and have real lives or went to private school and didn’t become successful at all. Canadian schools don’t seem to that much better. It’s what silly Canucks tell themselves to spite and convince themselves to the USA. No more Granville Island, no more skiing, no more small town people. A buddy of mine just become an oral surgeon, he moved to NYC to start his practice, why on earth would he choose NYC over the “best place on earth”? Maybe Vancouver isn’t on the map for educated people. Way to go Vancouver!!! the only people that live there (or want to) are aging baby boomers and the 3rd world… what a city !!!!! And one final comment, I never lived in a city like Vancouver where people pretended to be rich like they do there, what the hell kind of careers do people do there? I never figured that out. I know engineers that bag groceries at save on foods in east van, my realtor was an engineer but realized that he would never have a real career as an engineer there so in 1986 became a realtor. Vancouver is a poor city, with piss poor opportunities. I only stayed to do my MBA and watch my property values rise from when I got in during April of 2001. I cashed out to some foreign fool. I’m so happy I left.”
Reality Check at VREAA, 18 Sep 2011 7:26am

Wow. We don’t share Reality Check’s vitriol; we at VREAA like many aspects of life in Vancouver, that is why we live here.
At the same time we acknowledge that in many ways, in many quarters (particularly amongst locals), Vancouver is simply over-rated. An unrealistic over-assessment of the city has undoubtably contributed to the speculative mania in housing prices.
– vreaa

79 responses to ““Vancouver isn’t vibrant or exciting, it’s as dead as a doornail. It isn’t a big city, a world class city or even really a city. It’s a large sleepy tourist village that wishes it matters on the world stage.”

  1. I totally get the sentiment. It’s mostly born out of the utter arrogance and self-back-slapping that Vancouver should actually trademark. Most people who live here seem to suffer from Stockholm Syndrome which is a shame. There is a lot of potential here, but hell, if you drive around with “Best place on Earth” on your license plate clearly you lack the ability to objectively look at the place you call home (or is it investment these days?)

  2. Love and Hate are actually very close feelings. Reality Check is hating right now what he has loved so much in the past, like you would hate the hot chick you loved so much before she broke off with you…
    If he was not so attached to Vancouver, why would he come on Vancouver RE blogs and post (multiple) messages while living in the US?

    Depending on what you’re looking for, Vancouver is actually a great city to live in. I don’t come from a 3rd world country, but from western europe. I’m not an aging baby boomer either, I’m 34! I’ve lived in London and Paris for years, so I know what’s living in a world class city is like. I also did my MBA at UBC (that’s the reason why I came here in the first place) and decided to get a job and live here (as did a lot of my fellow classmates). Depending on your chosen field, you can have a decent career here. For sure the opportunities might be more limited, of course you may have to compromise a bit on salary, but would I trade my life today to go back to London or Paris? Hell no! In fact, most of my work involved projects located anywhere in Canada and the US. I could be located pretty much everywhere I want, and I chose to be here.

    Is everything perfect in Vancouver? Of course not. I wish so much I could afford a house here, which I can’t despite my 6 figure salary (that’s the reason why I’m on this blog!). But I’m renting a nice condo in a great location in downtown, the same way I was renting in London and Paris. I don’t have any problem with it and I’m patiently waiting (and saving) for prices to come down and be reasonable again, as they certainly will… If they don’t? well, I’ll be sitting on a pile of cash…

    Vancouver is not for everyone, and there is no reason to be angry about it. I have a happy life here, and I know lots of people do too. If you can’t be happy here, forget it and go live somewhere else where you can find your happiness…

    • Makaya -> Nice. Thanks. We’ll headline this, too.

    • Disagree.

      The presumption that Vancouver is comparable to NYC or London is inherently flawed. If you like living here that’s fine and no body is disputing it.

      Van is nowhere near as financially or culturally sound. It is a nice grade 2 city and would be much more livable if the RE was not so deliriously high and so much away from fundamentals.

      • Where did I say that London or Paris were comparable to Vancouver? I know very well what the differences are, what you get and what you don’t get when you live in one of them. I’m not saying Vancouver or Paris or London is better. What I’m saying is that there is a shoe for every foot.
        Some people love London or Paris for specific reasons, while other people love Vancouver for specific but different reasons.

        As much as I love London and Paris (I have family living in both cities and I visit them there every year), I hated living there (Paris more than London) for multiple and personal reasons. I found my happiness in Vancouver. I agree this is not a city for everyone and a lot of my friends in Paris or London would have a miserable life living here. But Vancouver works great for me and this is where I want to raise my kid…

        I don’t like when people despise this city or its people just because they didn’t get a good experience living here. We’re lucky enough to live in a free world where you can settle in pretty much wherever you want. If you don’t like here, nobody is preventing you from leaving. I didn’t like Paris and I move to Vancouver, I never whine about parisians or the city.

      • Makaya

        Say what you want, but it is hard to ignore the glaring lack of fundamentals (or culture) in Vancouver that make a city great. This insecurity is reflected in everybody who vehemently tries to make a case for Vancouver.

        Forget about Paris and London, just go visit someplace like Portland OR, it has much more Moxi than Vancouver.

  3. For someone who claims to be so educated his grammar could use some work. It really is quite a wonder he made it 11 years with such hatred for this city.

    While it may not be the paradise some people make it out to be, I have never really had the desire to leave.

    • “For someone who claims to be so educated his grammar could use some work.” I don’t for a second believe this individual has a MBA. The original post/follow-up has the trollish tone normally reserved for a rusty/rollie/sams mango/etc. They’re just playing the other side.

  4. Makaya, I never loved Vancouver I disliked from the get go, I just follow this blog because I am curious about the real estate market thats it. I bought and sold condos there for 11 years. Flipping condos made me a fortune. Vancouverites, like you are so clinically arrogant and delusional that you actually believe that even the people that move and despise the city still love the city?.Excuse me!!? Sorry but that’s nuts. It’s your very attitude which is one of the main factors why I left, I couldn’t stand vancouver small town arrogance and constant insisting that the world thinks vancouver is the best.Sorry but Im in my 6th city and it’s not true nobody, outside of vancouver cares about vancouver other than foreign asian folks buying up the real estate.Think the government cares? trust me they don’t, give a flying F*ck about you.They want property taxes, press, and buyers.

    I don’t think the market will crash …ever ….even if it drops 20% at best, many still can’t afford it so what the difference? and rich foreign people will be there to buy at the drop in prices and push it up again. Sorry for the young people but you’re screwed, especially with those horrible wages taxes and everything else, all the internet whining and convincing yourselves won’t change thing. When I lived in LA I wasn’t entitled to live in Beverly HIlls. Vancouverites aren’t entitled to anything.If I were any of you I wouldn’t sit around waiting for the possibility of the mythical ” crash” I’d investigate other options and plan around it. But whatever, no one who reads this will actually care anyways and I cashed out.

    • “I never loved Vancouver I disliked from the get go, I just follow this blog because I am curious about the real estate market thats it.”
      For somebody who is so emotional about Vancouver, there must be some hidden feelings… ever thought of doing a psychanalysis?

      “Flipping condos made me a fortune.” You should be grateful that Vancouver made you a fortune, the same way you should be grateful to you parents who gave you education and good manners.

      “Vancouverites, like you are so clinically arrogant and delusional”. Have we met before?

      “It’s your very attitude which is one of the main factors why I left”. I’m sorry to have caused you so much trouble, I really didn’t mean it. In the end, maybe it was a win-win situation that you left Vancouver, no?

      “If I were any of you I wouldn’t sit around waiting for the possibility of the mythical ” crash” I’d investigate other options and plan around it”
      My personal plan is to keep on renting and saving. That’s what I said at the end of my message. I have no plan to live anywhere else for now. I’m well traveled (been in 35 countries, lived and work in 5), and I know how it’s like elsewhere. Vancouver is where I want to be because of this is where I can get the lifestyle I want. Obviously, this city is not for you. No need to insult all Vancouverites, we can still be friends…

  5. I lived in Vancouver and graduated from UBC in 1982. I was very bitter when I capitulated and left because employment opportunities for engineers were non-existent back then, and still may be. I loved Vancouver and spent the next 20 years visiting regularly from Toronto where I lived. I think Reality Check is bitter too, and is rationalizing his loss by replacing love with hate. There are lots of ex-Vancouverites scattered across the continent who likely feel the same way. Though, R-C has a point about the smug locals. People in Toronto aren’t like that and Toronto is aguably a better city in which to live and work.

    • Again, no I’m not bitter I truly despise Vancouver,many many people do.So Vancouverites are so arrogant that they think you MUST like vancouver secretly even if you don’t ? what a weird place it is….. Im so thankful I left …truly… leaving vancouver was truly one of the happiest days of my life

      • word they cling to your approval of their city even past the bitter end thats who grotesque those people are -I know because I live in Vancouver.[from Montreal [a cool city].

  6. Davers,

    Do you really care that much about blog spelling? this isn’t a term paper for god’s sake.Who in their right mind nitpicks a blog post?… weird….. and I’m sure in all your almighty greatness you never once have written a blog post with spelling errors right? Don’t be silly.

  7. I am sending my daughter to UBC, and she is totally infatuated…with Vancouver. That vicarious pleasure is mine to enjoy for the cost of a dorm room.

  8. and that’s why I love it

  9. someone need a freaking hug …

  10. Here’s a hug for R-C… http://katkam.ca/. ‘Tis a fine day in Rain City.

  11. Most people who profess their undying love for this city are one’s who have invested heavily in the delirious RE, and it is all about fear and greed.
    Fear of RE downturn, greed vice-versa

    • Not true… I have no vested interest in RE in this city. None of my friends that decided to live here after graduation had bought any RE, yet all of them love the city. If you choose to rent, you can live a pretty good life at a reasonable cost here.

      This city/province has a lot to offer, but not everyone enjoys nature and all the activities that come with it. If you prefer museums, a developed music scene and other cultural activities, you will have a pretty miserable life here.

      • I think age and yuppie demographic has a lot to do with it.
        Younger people may think only about nature and activities, but there are many and lot more important things in life for someone with family and responsibilities.

      • When I went camping to Garibaldi Lake last month, there were all kinds of people, very young “party” folks, older mature ladies (early 60’s) and parents with young children (I brought my 7 month old baby up there and I was not alone, to my biggest surprised! Talking about family responsibilities…).

        I agree with you there are a lot more important things in life than outdoor activities. It’s all about putting your priorities in order. I love great food and I have yet to find a good yet affordable restaurant in Vancouver. I’m still amazed at the costs of fruits and vegetables here, and don’t get me started about the price of cheese here. I would also love to have more music festivals in Vancouver during the summer season.

        The same way some people go and spend spring break in Florida or Mexico to get sunny and warm weather, it’s possible to travel from Vancouver to satisfy your cultural (and other) cravings you can’t satisfy in Vancouver… Portland, SF or even NY are not that far away.

        Since you seem to like Portland, here are a couple of bands from the Portland scene that I really like:

        And here is one from the Minneapolis scene (which I discovered through KEXP radio from Seattle):

        Thanks to internet, we’re not totally isolated here in Vancouver 🙂

      • Thanks, Makaya.

        Good lesson: If you’re going to stay here, embrace what the city has to offer.

      • , but not everyone enjoys nature and all the activities that come with it.

        This is one of the funniest statements I hear repeated over and over. That is, until it isn’t 20+ and sunny outside, suddenly the majority prefer to ignore that there are outdoors and rather bitch over how cold (15C) and wet (oh no, it rains in a rainforest?) it is.

        The biggest lie here is that the majority of people move here for the outdoors. There is a reason why I like Vancouver the most during the “ugly” months, at least I can enjoy the outdoors without all those fair weather “outdoorsy people” around me.

  12. Best to love the city from afar, and go about your business.

  13. I’m going to back Reality Check here, most of the ferverous Vancouverspiel is hemorrhaging from the mouths of those who have not experienced otherwise. The media and mayors we are #1 tripe is easily echoed by parrots and cockatiels.

  14. Vancouver, and any other city for that matter, is like a buffet, lots of great stuff; just don’t pick up the stuff you don’t like, and don’t go during peak hours or there’s a huge lineup.

    The difference for many? They don’t always get the same place to sit to eat the great food and that seems to annoy them to the ends of the earth.

    • In the smorgasbord of life, Vancouver is the food station with the middling fare but the excessively long line up. Out the door, around the corner, and across the street. Some are camping out in the line up because, well, it’s so long, it’s gotta be the best, right? It’s frustrating to pretty much randomly find yourself in the Vancouver line-up, to notice you’re hungry, and to ask yourself and those around you “Hey, what’s going on here?”

      Smart folks know to look for the food where a line-up is disproportionally short compared with the actual quality of the food. They get good value.
      Really lucky folks like food that others avoid, where there are no line-ups.

      • There is no real lineup at the smorgasbord — perhaps a bit at the shrimp bar and some of the other delicacies — but there is a lineup for guaranteed places to sit down close to the food and for that right you pay a big premium.

        If you don’t mind picking up your plate and moving tables from time to time, or walking a bit further out (mind you don’t drop your plate on the way), you can still enjoy the food the same as everyone else. Yes you may feel a bit weird being asked to relocate by those who think they’re superior to you, but regardless you still get to eat the great food.

        Some people even sit with those who have reserved seating. It’s a bit awkward at first, sometimes they ask that you leave so their grandmother can move in, but if you spill your drink they even clean it up for you, running to the cutlery section for paper towels in the middle of their meal.

        To be quite honest there ARE some great dishes on the smorgasboard and if you know where to sit the company is great. Just like most other buffets I’ve been to albeit their specialties are different. Many of us are suckers for shrimp so here we sit.

  15. Your entire post just had a ‘holier than thou’ tone so I decided to pick at little things.

  16. What is it about doing that wretched MBA thang that so disfigures the soul (only for some, I might add).

    True happiness can be found anywhere. Albeit, some buffets are, admittedly, more tempting than others.

    I think this thread just might qualify as an authentic Commander Spock, “Fascinating.” moment.

    • True happiness can be found anywhere. Albeit, some buffets are, admittedly, more tempting than others.

      The problem is that Vancouver markets itself as a Five Star Restaurant but when people get through the door they quickly realize that it’s a cheap Buffet with most of the food having been sitting too long under the heat lamps with little new stuff being brought out of the kitchen. After all, people already paid the fee.

      • Not unlike Wolfgang Puck’s @ the ‘Vegas MGM Grand, eh?

        Clothes. Emperor’s.

        I get it. It weren’t always like that though, Michael. (& hopefully, my impressions of ‘then’ weren’t/aren’t merely the ontological illusions ‘o youth).

        As Bobby Zimmerman put it, “Things have changed…”

        http://tinyurl.com/3udqtuz

      • This is an impeccable metaphor, its fucking ghetto here and people act like its all that but they dont even know how stuff gets done. I like how 1 guy said vancouverites suffer from some weird kind of stockholm syndrome and act like theyre rich when theyre poor.

  17. Listening to all you renters bitch about missed opportunities is just hilarious.

  18. I understand the frustration but even I who threw in the towel recently and left Vancouver has to concede that the city holds it’s appeal for some. Different strokes for different folks as they say. I too have lived in Paris and London and am currently in Hong Kong, while they suited me for a variety of reasons they are not for everyone. If you love and can afford the outdoor lifestyle, specifically skiing, then it has it’s merits. But realistically after paying housing, high taxes with poor and low paying job opportunities, how anyone after an honest day’s work can afford to do this is a mystery to me. Every city has it’s bug bears but at least in the cities I’ve lived in you can get on a direct flight very easily and be somewhere interesting and/or exciting within 4 hours. In other words Vancouver isn’t the international hub it likes to think it is. And that’s one of it’s frustrations: the way it and many of it’s citizens likes to stroke it’s ego. Lastly home is where you fit in and have a sense of community. I found it almost impossible to build that community. People on the surface are polite enough but it’s very hard to get beyond that and form friendships which help tie you to a place. No wonder, I think everyone is so stressed paying their debt and mortgages that they don’t have time to think about anything else.

    Anyway I would just say that it didn’t suit me for a variety of reasons. The only way I can concede that it is world class, is that it is truly a beautiful city but it is not world class beyond it’s natural beauty. It’s like alot of places really – you go there on vacation but you wouldn’t want to live there.

  19. I spent quite a bit of my time in Calgary and finally came to the conclusion that the two cities are bipolar from the perspective of city vs village:

    Calgary is a city with a thriving corporate presence, there is an abundance of high paying jobs and a world class business sector yet the population desperately clings to it’s small town roots. Vancouver has very little industry or sizable corporations to create well paying jobs – a small town feel in my opinion yet the populace desperately claims that we are world class!

    • Lots of folks also think the skiing is much better in the Rockies.

    • Look, I am sure if you can stand -20 degrees in the winter, Calgary is a great city, but there are a lot of people who can’t. You can call us babies but we love the fact that the temperature is so moderate here. I hate cities that usually go over 25 in Summer and lower than 0 in the winter, which is what makes Vancouver so appealing. I remember visiting NYC once during the summer (I usually go spring or autumn) and had to try to duck into everything that has AC because it was so damn hot there and then vowed to never return during summer.

      • Look, I am sure if you can stand -20 degrees in the winter, Calgary is a great city, but there are a lot of people who can’t.

        When I read this I have to wonder how your ancestors ever survived. You (as in people who think like this) seem to have quickly jettisoned the most important of all human traits: Resilience.

        This is why I am not looking forward to to the eventual correction, because all these whiners will end up getting my tax dollars to bail out their sorry asses who weren’t willing or are willing to make any kind of sacrifice, meanwhile mostly likely whining about the evil Government taking their taxes.

      • Yes, I understand. This is one of the reasons why East Hastings exists.

    • @michael: that’s fine, but if I don’t have to, why would I want to. It’s like why bear the -20 degrees when I could live happily in a place that has 0 degree winter. It’s my choice isn’t it? You only need resiliency when you have no where else to go, which is not the case for everyone. Notice how I didn’t say I won’t visit places like NYC, I am simply saying that I won’t do it during the summer. Don’t know why this equates to whining exactly.

      Btw, you seem to imply that people should make sacrifices and move away as if it is the correct thing to do. Not sure why you have come to this conclusion.

  20. “I hate cities that usually go over 25 in Summer and lower than 0 in the winter, which is what makes Vancouver so appealing.”

    This made me chuckle. My Pacific Northwestern parents visited me in Washington D.C. a few years ago and couldn’t adjust to the spring weather. It was too hot for them in May, which was pretty funny. It took me a couple of years to adjust to a real summer, but now I love hot summer weather.

    NYC is nothing in the summer compared to the heat in Virginia and Washington D.C.

    • LOL, I am not afraid to admit that I am a bit of a wuss in this, but I figured that I could add to the discussion by illustrating some preferences for people like myself.

  21. Oh boy there sure are a lot of Vancouver haters.
    I couldn’t run a business there because of cost of housing. I had 22 great IT gigs and after the 10th interview, I knew we were done.
    BC has been writing ego checks, they can’t cash.
    I don’t miss Vancouver, at all. I will never go back – snobby, would be a polite word.
    Vancouver SUCKS

  22. @JulianLee, Hawaii gets over 25C, just so you know:) Wonder how you can stand it there.

  23. I love this post! So true! Omggg this city sucks balls! I grew up here and didn’t think too much of it when I was younger.. Although I can say I was never reallllyyy happy, and always felt like there is more out there for one to experience. I always felt my friends were shady and unhappy too, which in hindsight, I was probably like that too. But after moving to SoCal for a year, and coming back to Vancouver just drives me nuts!!! What’s up with everyone here???!!! Why are people so unfriendly, boring, and straight fucking losers?? Can’t wait to move the fuck out of here!!! One more year!!!

  24. Dude. STFU and suck my Vancouver cock.

  25. I have grown up in Vancouver. I’ve gone to elementary and high school here.
    What I have collected from my time in Vancouver is that it is extremely overrated. There is nothing to do here once you’ve seen all the places to see. People often talk about how they will become “rich” with no real drive or motivation. For people who want to be so successful, I see an awful lot of obnoxious drunk clubbing pictures on Facebook…

    People here create this image of themselves as tough and arrogant when really they are just extremely self conscious. Never have I met a group of people that are so sensitive. SO stuck up as well. There is very much a “every man for themselves” kind of mentality. Strangers are unfriendly.

    I recently heard Vancouver was voted one of the worst cities in terms of fashion. I can see why, because when I walk through downtown there is no shortage of hipsters and queers that think they are “too cool for mainstream” wearing atrocious clothes that look like they got sprayed in multiple paint grenades. Your not even allowed to have your own opinion without getting bombarded by haters.

    How is this shithole even considered to be ranked among the top cities to live in?

  26. I have lived in Vancouver for 7 years for work and it is a shotty little shallow city with a pretentious unfriendly vibe. The only people worth meeting here are from out of town.

    • from out of town thats what I noticed and everyone fro mout of town notices how beyond snotty people are here, they have downright delusional mental issues,. -all of them.

  27. Americans are friendly, Vancouverites are down right nasty people

  28. I work for a large telecom company so I get to talk to people from Quebec to BC. If there’s anything that my co-workers and I agree on, it’s that Vancouverites suffer from a collective mental illness. They just can’t seem to comprehend that they are not the centre of the universe. They seem to think that they are the star of the greatest movie ever made, and that anyone actually gives a damn. The rest of Canada is full of NORMAL, down-to-earth people who are capable of self-awareness. Vancouverites needs a serious slap in the face and a wake-up call. I know that the my life and lives of my colleagues would be MUCH less stressful if we didn’t have to babysit those idiots.

  29. True that! No wonder there are lots of mental sickness and drug addicts. No soul, people, especially too much CHinese people is creating over price man! Im asian and Im going to say that!

  30. WhoReallyCares

    Look, Vancouver is a great place to visit. But to live? NO. It’s just not. I’ve got dual citizenship, and it is just stupid to live in Vancouver. There is no Southern Hospitality, there is no respect or kindness at all. I hear more people speaking other languages than I do actual English. Driving is a nightmare. Prices are INSANE. Weather is only nice in the Summer. Plenty more, but I won’t go on. There is a quote that says if your not happy in the current place you live than your happiness is somewhere else….So yeah, if you don’t like Vancouver, just move. States > Vancouver

  31. True. Vancouver is only nicer when visiting as a trip. To LIVE? Hell no. Gotta say that I finally moved to CA after suffering a year in Vancouver facing a lot of snobby people. They are only polite on the surface and I never really shared a heartfelt farewell with anyone. I still don’t understand how Vancouver was voted as one of world class city. And even my Canadian friend had cynically indicated, “Vancouver is a shitty country to live in. Rather go to Toronto, because the weather in Vancouver SUCKS.” -should have listened to him

  32. Although it rains a lot in Vancouver, its still home and i love it .Vancouver is not dead as a doornail, there’s lots of different cultures and exciting things to experience. You sound like an angry American with issues. Get over yourself. The anal attitude you have is not appreciated. I understand you probably have pain related to you time in Vancouver, maybe you weren’t as successful and you wanted to be? or maybe you didn’t have any friends? I don’t know…but i do feel sorry for you.

    Saying “all Vancouverites are snobby” is a sweeping generalization, which displays you lack of understanding and maturity. Its like saying “all football players are dumb” not true at all. It depends on the person, place, and time. You never know what people are going through, so try to not be insensitive. Stay in the U.S because its obviously where you think you belong, but just remember you’ll always have a part of Vancouver with you. Its currently my home, and i wouldn’t want to live anywhere else. Mountains and ocean, its the best of both worlds. Show a bit of respect eh?

    sincerely,

    A Vancouverite

  33. 99% of vancouverites are snobby and dishonest and shallow real estate obsessed joyless misers…and vancouver is small and boring and theres nothing to do unless you live for skiing and kayaking…….mountains and ocean yawn,,
    small town people who like small town fun would like vancouver

  34. I went to both high school and University in Vancouver and had some good times there, but after a while I needed to leave as I felt I would bury myself if I stayed any longer. At one time in the mid eighties it looked like Vancouver might at last grow up and join the larger world in respect of cultural awareness but unfortunately that was not to be. Now every time I visit it seems Vancouver has become a city in decline, narrower in it’s outlook than ever. Physically Vancouver has some amazing natural advantages but if you removed the natural environment it has increasingly become a cultural desert. What a waste!

  35. Whipmaster~kerthwhack

    Vancouver is great! It’s the best! 🙂

  36. Johnny Lobster

    Vancouver sucks! It’s the worst!

  37. I was born here in Vancouver, my father was born here too. I’m in my mid20s. I have lived here all my life, travelled a tiny bit for short periods. I have to say I hate this city so much it’s killing me. I’ve attempted suicide twice now and if I’m not able to move soon I promise I won’t fail a third time.
    There is no culture here, people are boring and soulless, you can work at multiple jobs to the point of breaking your back and still go to bed every night with crippling anxiety over how you’re ever going to afford anything…this is my hometown and also my nightmare. Trying to gather the strength to get out but I’m so worn out that I don’t have much hope of making it. And yeah, sorry to say it but foreign ownership has completely destroyed what virtues my city once had. We are living in a horrible blend of Chinese snobbery and British repression that makes even the friendliest person feel isolated and dead inside. I hate it so much and every year it gets worse. It’s a beautiful place to die.

  38. I’ve had some real lows in my life – was a runaway ro Montreal in the middle of winter when I was 15 – without a winter coat. That’s pain. Hard to believe I survived. Somehow got a busboy job and hung on.

    Life isn’t easy. There are always peaks and valleys and death comes knocking soon enough. It’s worth hanging on if only for curiosity.

    One of my kids has a medical condition that necessitated us going to Children’s Hospital hundreds of times with multiple surgeries. Try dealing with a baby with an empty belly waiting for surgery after being stuck in a holding pattern for eight hours. That’s trauma. Not knowing what the results will be after surgery. That’s real. My kid has to deal with his condition for the rest of his life.

    People in the U.S. Southern States complained that you couldn’t make a living there. Then the Vietnamese boat people showed up and showed it to be a land of opportunity.

    I’ve spent time in Africa and India – if you think it’s tough here you are sorely mistaken.

    Life’s grotesquely unfair. People like Greedy Jim own almost everything. Most of us just want to live a simple decent life. It’s hard when greedy monsters want to control everything. It seems hopeless.

    But look at the Raging Grannies. These women in their twilight years – in their death zone – they turned hopelessness into rage. They found power outside themselves. Purpose. They didn’t let the bastards get them down.

    I was not a young man when I met my partner in life – it’s a crazy fluke that we wound up making a life together.

    Maybe the Sunshine Coast would be a luckier place; or the Kootenays.

  39. A haircut or a hot shower does the trick for me.

    Just a thought. Instead of flying to Europe to pick up a new language, how about moving to Montreal for a change of scenery. After a year of working holiday, you can prove that you are a Quebec resident with changing your BCMSP to RAMQ, BC Driver License to SAAQ, rent/phone/hydro receipts, etc. Then take up courses that interest you. Quebec residents enjoy lower tuition fees than out-of-province students. For example,

    students from other Canadian provinces pay the $100 tuition fee and approximately $1,319 per semester
    Quebec residents pay tuition fees of about $100 per semester
    http://www.cegepgim.ca/english-section/admission/2012-07-17-20-21-43

    Out-of-province students pay $722.76 per term
    while Quebec residents only pay $232.80 per term
    http://www.concordia.ca/admissions/tuition-fees/calculator.html

  40. Exactly Howe I feel. And it’s even worst now…

  41. Exactly how I feel. And it’s even worst now…

  42. The Gini Coeffecient: a bullsh*t concept made up by socialists to rationalize taxation.

  43. 3020 15th Ave E: built in 1966 – first time on the market, i.e. owners are croaked or getting there. The wet bar is fascinating – speed rail for wine glasses, nautical motif, lots of seating. These folks partied. No suite. Needed the space to party. Listed at $228K over assessed.

  44. It really shows how Vancouver is when Vancouverites defend themselves fiercely.
    I don’t criticize or undermine the town’s reputation, but it’s just the weather and lack of sunlight is making them how they are, or maybe the financial situation and real estate.
    It’s so true that the town is good for traveling but not for living.

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