Out-Migration? – “Three friends of mine moved out of country this year, citing high home prices.”

“Three friends of mine moved out of Country this year. Citing high home prices. Young, no kids yet. 2 are married. They’re smart people with no debt, with aspirations of financial freedom. Each had downpayment of $300k+. Pity to lose them. Well, 2 of them will keep their places here so at least if prices continue to go up, they won’t lose out.”gse36 at RE Talks 23 Jun 2011 11:42am

“British Columbia’s net international migration is negative for the first time ever” (Q4 2010) “…the first time that BC’s quarterly net international migration has been negative in Statistics Canada’s database, which dates back to 1972…”
– via report from urbanfutures.com

20 responses to “Out-Migration? – “Three friends of mine moved out of country this year, citing high home prices.”

  1. We are seriously thinking of moving our family out of the LML and to the US. It just doesn’t make sense here. Everything from the RE bubble, lousy jobs, onerous taxes, and most importantly a very self-centred, entitled, and smug culture that knows nothing of community building. The weather here is good compared to Winnipeg and that’s about all that we have going for ourselves here; but even the weather is lousy compared to 90% of the US.

    • What is “community building” exactly? What do you envision people doing to build a community and how do you know you’ve succeeded?

      • Are you being sardonic?

      • Civic involvment, inviting neighbours over for block parties, stuff that to be frank is hit and miss in Vancouver. I know what Drew means but I would suggest what he is looking for does exist in the LML if he looks long enough.

      • Seriously? You want all that shit and to bake cookies with june cleaver? In a city where you can go outside for 2 months of the year without an umbrella? That shit died when your boomer parents hit puberty and decided they were going to ‘change’ the world.

        A bunch of hipster retards playing fixie bike polo doesn’t really constitute community building unless your definition of community excludes anyone who isn’t white, underemployed and dressed ironically.

      • No, I’d settle for knowing the neighbours at all. Not a sure thing in Vancouver. Point is if Drew wants “community building” there are areas that fill the bill, but it’s not ubiquitous.

      • Huh. Well, hipster polo on fixie bikes is a pretty limited view of community and why you have rage against baked goods is a bit confusing.

        There are lots of local organizations who’d love your volunteerism – family places, neighbourhood houses, the food bank, maybe your local business association. Art collectives like Illuminaries. Whatever you’re good at or like, there’s some way to put in.

        I’ve met a lot of my neighbours who aren’t my friendship-group volunteering. There’s tons to do. I like the neighbourhood associations as most rewarding & diverse – providing childcare, making meals, visiting seniors, helping with resumes – it’s a great way to learn your community, and get to recognize and say hi to lots of people. Plus, small things – learning the names of librarians, small business people, wait staff.

      • “A bunch of hipster retards playing fixie bike polo doesn’t really constitute community building unless your definition of community excludes anyone who isn’t white, underemployed and dressed ironically.”

        hey man, that’s like, discriminatory.

  2. I’ve lived in 4 different cities and in three different countries. I’ve experienced good communities full of good civic minded people. Unfortunately Vancouver ranks low on the community measure. People are cold and way more into themselves than anywhere else I’ve lived. Not everyone, obviously, but that’s the vibe. Vancouver’s sense of civic mindedness is putting “I love you” post-its on cop cars after a riot. Meanwhile over on Hastings street a horde of down n outers are completely ignored.

    • As a chronic volunteer, I do agree. Some of it is that people are working long hours or commuting a long way. Some of it is that people don’t seem to get the idea that community is something you contribute to – like friendship or your marriage – it doesn’t show up unannounced on a Thursday with a cooler of beer. But people also seem really segregated in this city and community, in the end, is just your relationships with the people you happen to live near. You don’t have to be BFFs with them. You don’t have to speak their language or think their politics or religion are sane or like their choice of shoes.

      Heck, even a smile and nod and maybe “how’s it going?” helps immensely – they’ve shown in studies that a bystander is more likely to step in and challenge the harassment of someone at a bus stop if the victim has once asked the bystander for the time. Even just “the people that you meet each day” turn into community over time if you look around and see humans.

      • I agree. The past 6 months we have slowly transformed our lives through volunteering, and in taking a genuine interest in other people we meet through our children’s activities… Community is what you make of it. You can sit and be bitter like everyone else… as I did for six years… or you can animate others and share experiences. Community comes to you, if you really want it.

        A caveat: it must be tough in the neighbourhgoods where language and cultural barriers are strong and where homes sit vacant as investments and/or where the entitled, smug, and self-righteous predominate. I have to say our occasional kits friends’ condo building is one nasty in-bed of the above, and I could not imagine trying to fit in with their kind of people as easily as it is proving here in Burnaby.

    • I too have lived in 3 different countries and 6 different cities..
      Somethings seem so negative with Vancouver. Not really surprised that many others feel the same
      “self-centered, entitled, and smug”. Not trying to generalize but feels true.

      • i purposely drive my 20 year old car at exactly the speed limit. hilarity ensues.

  3. I’m in a similar boat. My wife and I are in our mid-30s with what others would call wildly successful careers here. We, however, hate the lack of any real economy or even culture coupled with the insecurity-manifesting-as-egomania of most residents. If I have to hear one more time about how Vancouver is the best place on earth from someone who’s never visited any other major centre in Canada (let alone the world) I’ll scream. Yes, the outdoor activities are nice, but experience living elsewhere has taught me that Vancouver residents do not have a monopoly on their pursuit. Despite the fact that it would mean essentially re-starting our careers, we are seriously thinking about moving to Seattle or San Diego or at least elsewhere in Canada. There is no way we would pick Vancouver as our home if starting again from scratch.

    • now just imagine how those of us who’ve lived here all our lives and helplessly watched all of this hollowing-out happen over the last 10 years.


  4. 300K downpayment? Certainly they could find somewhere in Canada to live.
    I think that either a) the reason for leaving the country was more than just affordability or b) the stated wealth of these people is absolute bullshit.

    • Are you really that stupid?
      This is not about the ability to “afford” a place. It’s about not blowing your hard earned money on an overpriced crack shack.

  5. right right. But uprooting and isolating your family because you don’t “feel” like paying market value for a Vancouver home is so much smarter. My experience, if people can afford to they buy, if they can’t they rent or move. It has little to do with choice. I know there will be many who proclaim the opposite – again, pur bullshit

    • Again, you idiot, almost anyone can “afford” to buy. That is really not the issue.

      As for the “uprooting and isolating your family” – not everyone has the mentality of a medieval serf. Some people know that there are other places besides Vancouver. Life is possible in those places too and often it is much better.

      • lol @ rusty

        ‘vancouver for life, toronto for money – the rest of the country is mongolia” as they say.. don’t get them started on the taxes

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