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“I live in the new Wesbrook village on UBC campus and finally stopped by the Wesbrook Welcome Center. I wonder how long they will keep up this rate of construction?”

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“I live in the new Wesbrook village on UBC campus and finally stopped by the Wesbrook Welcome Center. They have a map of all current and planned development, (captured here with my) camera phone. The grey ones have been approved but haven’t been started, apparently they should all be completed in 10-15 years. That’s a rate of .67 – 1 highrises and 2 – 3 lowrises a year. Since I moved in 6 months ago none of the show rooms or open houses have closed. I wonder how long they will keep up this rate of construction?”
- LazyCanadian at VCI 8 Feb 2013 12:24pm, image posted here.

“UBC has gotten totally out of control. I graduated there a couple years ago, and it was getting a little ridiculous with the amount of construction, but now it’s even worse. When I visited for the first time in 2005, it was beautiful and was one of the reasons I wanted to go there.
The whole campus is under construction now, and they’ve cut down massive parts on the endowment lands (a.k.a. woods) to build million dollar houses and condos (which is just what the generally poor students need).
Most of the open green spaces are now huge condo towers. You can barely walk across campus anymore, with all the detours. Some people recently hung up a bunch of signs. [see below]
Back in 2007 they permanently cancelled the annual big party students have on the last day of classes, because the people in their million dollar homes on campus didn’t like the students drunkenly walking through to the stadium. Apparently the realtors didn’t tell them that they lived on a campus…
Nothing against UBC, I loved the school when I went there, but now when I visit campus, I feel bad for the current students.”

- Andrew at VCI 8 Feb 2013 2:38pm

Guerilla signs protesting construction on UBC campus, images from blog post ‘Anonymous snarker channels construction anger into guerilla memes’, Ubyssey Social Club, 12 Oct 2012. Archived here for the chronological record:

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Vancouver RE Discussed On CBC, Again – “Patti Croft recommends cashing out and is thinking about it herself”; “Patricia Croft kept insisting Canada would be the *only* country to engineer a soft landing in real estate.”

1. “Anyone else catch The House on CBC radio this morning [14 Jun 2012]? Tsur Somerville [UBC Sauder School Of Business RE economist] and Patti Croft [Bay Street analyst], mostly falling over one another with the usual “not-a-bubble”, but with some pretty bearish sentiment lurking beneath the conciliatory tones (considering the sources):
- Nationally speaking, they see a 10-15% overvaluation.
- They openly admit that this national number is mostly be driven by Vancouver and Toronto, implying enough overvaluation there to significantly sway national numbers.
- Patti recommends cashing out and is thinking about it herself.
- Tsur seems to have given up on recommending metrics and now suggests “if you like it, buy it”.
- Even though there’s no bubble, Canada will earn a feather in its cap by successfully engineering a soft landing.
Also, apparently you now need 50% overvaluation to have a national bubble.”

- Many Franks at VCI 14 Jul 2012 11:28am

2. The CBC financial roundtable discussion on The National [CBC TV] last night focussed heavily on debt. The same four folks appeared that were there last time. Patricia Croft kept insisting Canada would be the *only* country to engineer a soft landing in real estate. She said it twice.
- Dr. Nick Riveria, VCI, 25 Jul 2012 10:22pm

UBC Housing Action Plan Forum – Proceedings Summary – “We have lost out on many hiring cases”

UBC hosted a ‘Housing Action Plan Forum’‏ today, 18 Jan 2012. The purpose was to “focus on faculty/staff housing, provide an “early look” at the options being explored and give an opportunity for participants to ask questions and provide feedback about key issues related to the options.”

‘Anonymous UBC Professor’, who attended this event, was very kind to send along this point-form summary of the proceedings:

————————————
Statements by Prof. Nassif Ghoussoub
– Board has approved densification of the campus “to remedy the housing problem”
– The housing situation keeps getting worse, not for real estate tycoons, but for colleagues
– Property assessment have increased 40% on west side. Increased perception of wealth, but doesn’t bode well for UBC.
– Problems in recruiting and retention. Cannot recruit heads, Canada Research Chairs, Canada Excellence Research Chairs, due to housing problems.
– Staff have problems too.

- What have we done?
– Ask for input – Discussion Forums – Talk to deans
– Blog – Visited universities with similar challenges (NYC, Columbia, Harvard, Irvine, …). Inquired at Stanford, Cambridge, Oxford. They are WAY ahead. Their bread and butter is competitive hiring.
– Next steps – Discussion paper, ready by the end of March.

——————————
Presentation by Lisa Colby
– Work done  – Reviewed data from housing demand studies

Current
– Faculty & Staff rentals
– 550 units (obviously more needed)
– Claim 20% below market rent
– Leasehold
– Claim 10-20% below cost
– Prepaid to avoid developers marketing cost.
– Do not have to sell to faculty/staff (benefits to 1st gen buyers)
– This is on hold
– Financial assistance package
– $45k lump sum or interest free loan, or mortgage interest assistance
– Student housing: 8500 beds, increasing roughly 500 per year

Current land use plan:
– 50% of new units must be university affiliated
– 20% rental (10% of which are non-market)
– Plan amendments allow for SMALLER units on campus

Claim: much of demographic is looking for studio 1 bedroom
[Remark: I doubt the accuracy of this statement.]
Claim: 60% of demographic don’t have kids or dependents

Here are various options for campus development going forward.

—————-
“Equity” Options

Options 1:
– 99 year leasehold, unrestricted growth

Option 2:
– Only for faculty and staff
– Intended 20% below market rate

Option 3:
– Only for faculty and staff
– Joint ownership & leasehold: own building, rent land

Option 4: Cohousing
– Large shared facilities (kitchen, dining room, etc.)

Option 5: Coop
– Only for faculty and staff
– Members purchase shares, no equity gains
– Perhaps of interest to renters who want a larger say in their building

————–
Rental Options

Option 1: Non-market rental
– Only for faculty and staff.
– 20% below market rents
– (More appealing if students are not allowed to rent)

Option 2: Non-profit rental
– Household income must be below $64k
– Below market rents, geared to incomes

Option 3: Market rates
– Quality & space are key factors

————-
Other options
– Priority access to housing options
– Potential financial assistance plan modifications:
– Extend to more employees
– Increased value
– On-campus purchase only?
– Claim: other universities that do this also give $30-$50k, so UBC is in the right ballpark.

Key considerations:
– Options should have enduring value that help future generations

—————————————-
Open-Mic Discussion

Someone from Faculty of Medicine:
– Much of the on-campus housing is obviously empty. It is immoral to allow the general public to buy on-campus housing.
– We need a community to make the campus interesting. The general public is an important part of that.

Lisa:
– Revenues from the general public are important to the academic mission. This goes to support student housing, scholarships, academic bursaries, research chairs, etc.

Carl Hansen, Asst Prof in Physics & Astronomy
– Came 2005. Could not afford anything. Now have 3 kids. Live in rental housing. Biggest apartment they’ve seen is 1000sqft.
– Have not been able to save money
– Housing prices have gone up 120% since then.
– Does 20% below market value make a difference? 1.5m and 1.8m are the same.

Lisa:
– Due to taxable benefit, 20% is the best we can do.
– Yes, it’s important to look at the range of sizes. There is less range than there should be.

Nassif:
– This is still under discussion. Your feedback is important.

Lior Silberman, Asst Prof in Math
– We don’t want “windfall programs” (i.e., co-development programs, advanced access programs)
– Waitlist for 3 bedrooms are several years (someone says 4 years)
– Don’t confuse demand with with “what is happening because what is available”
– The units are in the wrong market. There should be a “UBC-only market”.
– If the market was limited to us, the price would naturally be what we can pay.

Kera:
– Lisa asserted that people want amenities on campus. Housing survey from last year says 83% value amenities.

Anonymous:
– 2 kids
– Rental unit, 720 sqft
– “Faculty & Staff Housing” is really “Faculty housing”. Staff honestly cannot afford it.
– 50% of his paycheck goes to housing. What percentage should people pay off their paycheque to rent?
– 3% increase in rent. What is the justification?
– Loses sleep over this
– Renters are treated as second-class citizens.

Lisa:
– Definition of “affordability”: 30% of household income, assuming 10% downpayment, 5% interest over 25-year amortization. For renters, again 30% of household income.
– Reminds about below-market rental housing.

Don (CFO of some UBC housing group?):
– Market rent: 1000sqft, $2500/mo is typical for west side.
– We don’t want to go beyond the magical 20% discount that would trigger taxable benefits, that’s why we have to increase.

Lisa:
– Further explanation on taxable benefits: if the discount from market rent were greater than 20%, you’d have to pay tax.

Nassif:
– NYU, Irvine, Stanford, etc., all found ways around it. You see 40-50% subsidies there.

Eugene Barksy, Library:
– 20% discount is not enough.

Asst Prof in Faculty of Forestry:
– Came last year, father of 3
– $2200 for 1000sqft
– 46% of net income goes to rent
– Whether it’s 20 or 50% below market price, he cannot afford to buy, so he is stuck renting.

Andrew Patterson, PhD student in sociology:
– Has UBC lobbied city or province to control housing prices?

Lisa:
– We’re starting to engage with the city. No specifics at this point.

Bill Holmes, alumnus, lives in Hampton place. Income tax lawyer.
– Regarding taxable benefits, the 20% cutoff doesn’t make sense. Even if one received a 50% discount and paid tax on the 30%, you’d still come out way ahead.
– We haven’t heard how much money the board of governors is prepared to put into this.

Lisa:
– Financial assessment is not done. See the upcoming discussion paper. Their decision is partially
based on your feedback.
– There is not a firm line on 20%.

Nassif:
– We’re still computing the costs of the options.
– Our priorities are in competition with other priorities of the board.
– Market housing goes to our endowment.

Senior Faculty Member:
– We have lost out on many hiring cases.
– When bubble was not so bad, we lost CRC 1 chair to Alberta. [This was the first use of the word "bubble".]
– We missed a candidate from Irvine.
– A hire from 2003 started applying for jobs, and we very nearly lost him due to the 7-year limit
for Financial Assistance Package.

Lisa:
– There are important tradeoffs between money from market housing to support academic mission.
– Tradeoff between faculty/staff and endowment.

Satish, Asst Prof in Computer Engineering:
– There are many universities which do not have land to support their endowment.
– Using land to support endowment is a very short-term plan.
– If we fail to attract faculty, the endowment is irrelevant as the land will go to the dogs.
– Harvard has $40B, which has nothing to do with their land.
– Faculty don’t even apply here. Why live in Vancouver when you can live in Austin and visit Vancouver every 2 months?

Kera:
– Claim that UBC was given this land specifically to support the endowment.
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[Thanks 'Anonymous UBC Professor' - ed.]

Tom Davidoff Knows About RE Cycles

We recently [2 Dec 2011] posted a quote from a CTV interview with Tom Davidoff, of UBC’s Sauder School of Business, and an e-mail exchange that followed. We have since found a very sensible and informative article published by Prof Davidoff regarding the California housing bubble, reproduced below. We aren’t aware of him writing a readily available analysis of Vancouver’s market, and would greatly appreciate seeing an account of his thoughts in this regard, given his experience with the US RE boom and bust.
We suspect that, given his expertise, he could enrich and inform the online dialogue regarding our market. We’d welcome him posting something of this nature here at VREAA, but it’d be just as good to see it elsewhere on the web, or in a local paper, or publication.
Is Vancouver RE in a ‘bubble’? What are the estimated risks of price corrections? How much could prices correct? Is it different here? If so, why?
- vreaa


Why this housing bubble was different
Jon Lansner Interviews Tom Davidoff
The Orange County Register, 6 Mar 2010

Tom Davidoff, is an assistant professor at the Sauder School of Business University of British Columbia who has studied real estate cycles — including California’s wild home-price rides. We asked him to help us understand what’s happened …

Us: What made this housing bubble different?

Tom: We can compare the boom and bust cycle in housing in the late 1990s and 2000s to that in the 1980s. The increases and decreases were much sharper this time than the 1980s. This time around, I think it was more clear that there was a bubble. Where I disagree with some people is that it wasn’t the coastal areas like Orange County that made it clear — at least, after the fact — that there was a bubble. In the 1980s, the big price gains were in areas like the coasts where it’s hard to add new supply (there was an earlier oil boom and bust in some energy industry areas like Houston. Those “oil patch” markets are elastically supplied and I would guess the bust in prices was predictable). The problem with using prices in areas where it’s hard to add new supply to judge whether or not we’re in a bubble is that it’s hard to say what the right price of a home is in those markets, even relative to rent. Was there a bubble in the 1980s? In hindsight, hard to say yes, as if you bought a house in 1989 in New York or San Francisco and held it for 15 years you made out like a bandit.

In markets like Las Vegas or Phoenix, or arguably most of the Central Valley and Bakersfield, in the long run you can build lots of new supply, and the location of new homes isn’t much worse than the location of existing homes. You don’t have the same downtown or ocean premiums in those markets. So when prices get far away from the cost to build new homes in markets where it’s not hard to build new homes, you start to suspect over pricing. Like a lot of other economists, I personally didn’t suspect an impending bust probably until sometime in 2006. My problem was that I was too focused on the coastal markets. I wondered about Las Vegas, but felt like there was a world in which prices in places like Boston and coastal California were justifiable. I wish the Cassandras, who deserve credit for prescience, had been griping about Las Vegas instead of San Francisco. I think any economist who really gave prices in the relatively easily supplied markets serious thought would have been very worried as early as late 2004 and certainly mid-2005.

Another difference is where the bad loans were. In the 1980s, I think largely because of tax laws and regulations, the bad loans and excessive pricing was largely on the commercial and rental residential side. In the 2000s, exotic owner occupied residential loans were also a problem.

Us: If this bubble was different, will the recovery be of the unexpected variety, too?

Tom: The recovery may be fast or slow. I can believe that we are at a bottom, and I can also believe that there will be a continuing wave of mortgage defaults on both the residential and commercial sides that could certainly lead to price declines of 10 percent or more in many U.S. markets. The massive number of owner occupied homes with mortgages much larger than current market prices, and even market prices in the foreseeable future, is different from anything at least since the Depression. In the long run, barring very rapid global warming, prices should not be below replacement cost in a lot of the “sand” markets where they currently are. So price below replacement cost would usually be a good signal for time for prices to start rising. The potential for mass defaults and an attendant second dip in lending and GDP makes that argument harder to swallow.

Us: Are bubbles a quasi-natural economic occurrence that are going to happen in real estate every so often?

Tom: “Bubble” is a tricky word. In markets where it’s hard to replace the existing stock, like the coasts, people will always value homes in large part based on what other people think they are worth. That means that prices can fluctuate a lot even without anything changing in the real economy. So I suspect coastal U.S. prices will continue to look like a roller coaster. Ditto stocks like google, masterpieces of painting, etc.

Getting prices to move like that in places like Phoenix requires that both buyers and lenders are not motivated to consider the likelihood of huge losses. I hope we don’t see the lack of discipline in owner residential lending that allowed the giant bubbles in markets that should be disciplined by supply for a long time. Between the legitimate benefits to financial innovation and the political power of financial institutions, I suspect it won’t be too long before the next crazy price increases arise in some asset class. A guess is that it won’t be housing next, but housing will surely have another turn. By the logic of Willie Sutton, the money to be made in housing finance is too tempting to be ignored.

Us: What policy changes could prevent such economic distortions in real estate, if any?

Tom: I don’t think price volatility on the coasts requires much “economic distortion.” The problem in the real “bubble” markets of the 2000s was that both owners and lenders had the incentive to ignore the very real possibility of large losses. Both parties had valuable default options that left downstream investors and taxpayers on the hook for losses, so that only the upside mattered. For now, the market is probably self-policing. Once investors are no longer spooked, it may be necessary to (a) limit or tax high risk loans or (b) do a lot of work to make sure downstream investors are aware of risks and (c) force financial institutions to pay for the “too big to fail” burden that they place on taxpayers.

Tom Davidoff, Sauder School of Business, UBC – Clarification

Following up on a post from yesterday, this e-mail exchange between Tom Davidoff and vreaa took place 2 Dec 2011. Tom left it up to us to decide how to best clarify his position for our readers, and we’ll do that by simply recording the exchange here:

Dear VREEA

I have gotten some hateful and threatening email from followers of your blog, so I thought it might be helpful to shed some light on the interview with ctv that you cite. I believe you have interpreted my comment on camera as answering the question: “what do you say to people who believe the current price level does not reflect fundamentals?” That is not the question I was answering when I made my remark about entitlement. Later in the interview, in fact, I said that I would be reluctant to buy at current prices for investment purposes. I would not be surprised by a large correction in the next year or two. I also would not be surprised if real prices are higher in 10 years than they are today. The question I was answering was closer to “what do you say to people who believe they are entitled to own a home?” I don’t recall the exact question, but my point was just that it is not the end of the world if some people are not able to buy (as opposed to rent) the home in which they want to live. Should the government take steps to promote greater housing supply? That’s an interesting question, but not the one I was answering.

I would be delighted to discuss further.

Regards,
Tom Davidoff

Dear Tom:

Thanks for the e-mail.
At their website, ctv still has an article up by Darcy Wintonyk that states the following:

(quote)
Tom Davidoff of the UBC Sauder School of Business said that young Vancouver couples simply don’t have a right to own a home in the city they grew up in. “There’s not going to be any free lunch in Vancouver. There’s no entitlement to own a nice home in the most beautiful place on earth. So I think people need to be prepared just to accept that reality,” he said.
The economic reality adds up to a growing sense of frustration and hopelessness for an entire generation of Canadians.
On the upside, Davidoff said that renting isn’t the end of the world in this expensive housing market.
(end quote)

I think you can see how this reads.
If this doesn’t reflect what you said to CTV, and is substantially different from your main position on Vancouver RE, get in touch with CTV and tell them to change that.
This is a risk one takes speaking to the media.
You could insist that you refuse to be quoted out of context, without an opportunity to state your full position.
For instance, get them to include quotes such as:
“I would be reluctant to buy at current prices for investment purposes.” and
“I would not be surprised by a large correction in the next year or two.”
Those aspects of your position may come as a surprise to many CTV readers/viewers.

If you like, I can post the e-mail that you sent me at the blog, by way of your explanation of your position.
Or you could post it yourself as a comment.

Better still, why not lay out your entire opinion on the Vancouver RE market unambiguously, and I’d be happy to headline that as a new and separate post. That would be the best way of clarifying your position.
Let me know.

Regards,
vreaa
(vancouver real estate anecdote archivist)

Dear VREEA

Thanks for your reply. I think my original email to you conveys what I meant to say. I’ll leave it to you as to how to clarify for your readers. I don’t think I was quoted out of context by ctv. They were asking about people who grew up in the area and can’t afford to buy a suitable home in Vancouver. Whatever happens to housing prices in the next few years, the problem of people not being able to own the home they want in the location they want is going to persist. I agree that there would be fewer such people if prices were not higher than supply, demographics,and mortgage terms would typically support, and I told ctv that I think it’s likely that prices will fall in the short run, but that’s not what ctv was asking. I should add that in a market like Vancouver where supply is constrained and there is reason to think that there will be growing demand over time, it is not easy to know when or if a price correction is coming because it is difficult to do discounted dividend analysis. What are the correct dividend growth trajectory and risk premium to pin down a price based on today’s observed rents and riskless yield curve? “Not easy to know” is not the same as “it’s impossible to infer that there’s a high probability of a large price decline.”

Regards,
Tom

Dear Tom:

Thanks for the reply.
By way of clarification, I’ll post our e-mail exchange.


Regards,
vreaa

—/end

UPDATE:
See also ‘Tom Davidoff Knows About RE Cycles’, VREAA, 4 Dec 2011

Tom Davidoff, Sauder School of Business, UBC – “There’s not going to be any free lunch in Vancouver. There’s no entitlement to own a nice home in the most beautiful place on earth. So I think people need to be prepared just to accept that reality.”

“British Columbian couples with young children are being squeezed in an economic vice because of high housing and child care costs, according to a UBC family expert who dubs the group “Generation Squeezed.” Paul Kershaw says the high cost of housing coupled with skyrocketing child care costs is making it nearly impossible for young parents to raise a family in B.C.’s Lower Mainland.”

Derek Atkinson, a 28-year-old university educated dad who lives in Burnaby, said he has a bleak outlook when it comes to buying a home.
“It’s something that is getting closer to being a pipe dream than any sort of reality,” he said.
With a combined income of $92,000, he and his wife could qualify for a $500,000 mortgage. But Atkinson said the minimum $25,000 down payment is too rich for him and his young family.
“We’d have to save up for at least five, six years just to get a decent down payment…and that’s really frustrating,” he said.
The average B.C. couple only makes $66,700, enough to qualify for just a $300,000 mortgage. A November search of the residential real estate listings in Metro Vancouver (MLS) turned up only seven two-bedroom properties in that price range.


Tom Davidoff of the UBC Sauder School of Business said that young Vancouver couples simply don’t have a right to own a home in the city they grew up in. “There’s not going to be any free lunch in Vancouver. There’s no entitlement to own a nice home in the most beautiful place on earth. So I think people need to be prepared just to accept that reality,” he said.

- excerpted from ‘Housing, child care sting ‘Generation Squeezed’, Darcy Wintonyk, ctvbc.ca, 1 Dec 2011
(hat-tip 4slicesofcheese)

Noting that there is a speculative mania in Vancouver housing is not the same thing as asking for a free lunch. – vreaa


ADDENDUM, 2 Dec 2011, 7:50am:

Dan, writing in the comments below, asks “Can someone explain what Prof. Davidoff said that was so objectionable?” and then segues to talk of a speculative bubble (which Davidoff did not mention) and asks “What’s so terrible about renting?” (Davidoff did end up mentioning renting, but that was not the statement he made that has been objected to).
We’ll share our response to Dan’s question here.

Davidoff said: “There’s not going to be any free lunch in Vancouver. There’s no entitlement to own a nice home in the most beautiful place on earth. So I think people need to be prepared just to accept that reality”.

Here’s the objection, Dan -
Davidoff reiterated a sloppy, tired argument that deflects from the issue at hand:
Young couples (or any other prospective buyers) point out that housing prices are extremely overextended in Vancouver.
Davidoff retorts with an argument that directly implies that prospective buyers are asking for something for “free”, that prospective buyers feel “entitled” to get something for nothing. Where did any of these buyers make such ridiculous claims? [They did not!]
Davidoff’s fallacious implications are a straw-man argument; they have the effect, by design or otherwise, of dismissing the prospective buyers’ initial (and very valid observation): Housing prices in Vancouver are very overextended.

Customer: “How much are your sandwiches?”
Storeowner: “$50 each.”
Customer: “$50! That’s a little steep…”
Davidoff: “What do you expect? For someone to give you free food?”

Davidoff is supposedly an academic with, we’d imagine, some claim to expertise in the area of housing markets.
We are in the midst of a global housing market disaster; we have housing prices in Vancouver that are preposterously higher than fundamental values determined by income and rent; we have personal debt levels that are higher than they were in the US before their bust; we have a local economy that is overdependent on real estate … and the only analysis that this School of Business can march out is flaccid non-arguments in favour of the status quo? (Davidoff’s “reality” that has to be “accepted”.)

Are there no sensible academics in this business school that can do back of the napkin math?
‘The Economist’ has just published an article implying that Canadian housing is overvalued by at least 25% (A remarkable 71% as determined by rental rates). Numerous other respectable commentators have pointed out the unsustainable housing valuations in Vancouver.
Has anybody seen any commentary from anybody at UBC’s Sauder ‘School of Business’ that in any way attempts to discuss or analyze these arguments?

When the speculative mania in Vancouver RE collapses, it will be remarkable to look back and see how deficient local economists and financial commentators have been for not warning about this obvious bubble.

The fact that Davidoff even threw in “the most beautiful place on earth” canard just makes his statement that much more pathetic.

Come on, Sauder.
Have any of you studied anything about ‘speculative manias’?
Is the 2011 Vancouver housing market not a wonderful, soaring example of such a beast?
What are you telling students who ask such a question?

- vreaa

UPDATE:
See also ‘Tom Davidoff Knows About RE Cycles’, VREAA, 4 Dec 2011

UBC Faculty and Staff Housing Anecdotes – “As a recently recruited Assistant Professor, I feel I have no hope of supporting a family and purchasing a house in Vancouver. I lose a great deal of sleep over trying to make ends meet. This is holding me back from making research and education advances.”

Following up on our recent post, ‘UBC Staff And Faculty Housing Demand Study’ [VREAA 19 Sep 2011], here below is a series of first- and second-hand personal anecdotes excerpted from UBC faculty and staff comments posted at ubc.ca 27 Sep – 3 Oct 2011 as part of a discussion UBC is encouraging in order to develop a ‘Housing Action Plan’. [Many thanks to David for forwarding us the link].

It is perhaps remarkable that not one of the discussants appears to address the giant over-arching truth: that a speculative mania in housing is the cause of the problem. On the contrary, many of the posters explicitly state the belief that local housing prices can do no other than power forever upwards.
Once the housing bubble is recognized for what it is, it follows that only with an implosion of that bubble will any housing challenges be meaningfully addressable. Housing in Vancouver is currently two to three times overvalued, as determined by fundamental measures such as incomes, rents, and GDP. The mania will end, as all manias do, with substantial price drops. This will likely occur not as a result of policy changes, but as a result of market dynamics. Indeed, such an implosion may have already begun.

Under the shadow of this mania, the vast majority of ‘affordable housing’ plans in Vancouver are akin to rearranging the proverbial deck-chairs on the Titanic; to blowing into a hurricane. Any such plans will be incapable of addressing the powerful negative forces of the mania. Getting 10% or 15% assistance purchasing extremely overpriced RE still results in it being very, very overpriced.

The coming Vancouver RE price deflation will go a long way to solving Vancouver’s (and UBC’s) housing challenges. Imagine how different the UBC discussion will be when prices are 50% lower. Or even lower than that. Yes, there will still be a need for sensible policy about campus housing, and perhaps a need for housing assistance plans to attract desirable faculty, but housing would no longer sit centre-stage, where it is now, and where it certainly doesn’t belong.

Granted, a real estate price crash will at the same time result in other significant problems for Vancouverites, many of whom are over-invested in RE. Our local economy will suffer greatly, as it has become sorely over-dependent on activity related to real estate. This is, unfortunately, what happens when a massive speculative mania plays out. It’s baked into the cake. UBC has, of course, been an eager bubble participant, via large for-profit RE development projects. While showing concern about the cost of housing, the university, ironically, also has an economic stake in the bubble being sustained. This is why we haven’t seen (and don’t expect to see) strong statements truly critical of the status quo coming from within UBC itself.

Regardless, the personal stories below are noteworthy, and the detrimental effect that the housing mania is having on academic endeavours is apparent.
- vreaa

As an Assistant Professor that was recently recruited to the University, I feel like I have no hope of supporting a family and purchasing a house in Vancouver. I lose a great deal of sleep over trying to make ends meet in Vancouver and I feel this is holding me back from making research and education advances at UBC. I believe housing is only a symptom of a systemic problem at UBC: very poor support of young academic faculty.
- G.T.T., October 1, 2011 at 9:36 am

Very recently, I lost a dear and outstanding colleague to Oxford. He confided that one of the main reasons for him moving was that Oxford offered him the opportunity to own a home near his work (The university partners with faculty to ensure they can own a place near campus). In Vancouver, he could not see how he would ever afford a place for his family, including a newborn.
I too am about to start a family. I have been incredibly worried about moving from my small apartment to a bigger place. Paging through the real estate ads is depressing. It is clear that my salary and consulting fees are simply not enough. In this sense, it is heart warming to read about colleagues with the same concerns and about UBC leaders trying to alleviate the problem.
- Nando de Freitas, September 29, 2011 at 4:12 pm

If I had known about the future housing situation back in 2004 when I was hired, I would have probably reconsidered my decision to come to UBC.
- L. Van Waerbeke, Faculty of Science, [September 30, 2011 at 10:45 am], who also suggests “create a parallel UBC housing market where sells/buys can only happen between UBC employees”.

I am a graduate student at UBC and my stipend is $21,000. I have to live one hour from campus to pay for rent that is $800 per month. After my health insurance and phone bill, I barely have enough money for food. This summer, I calculated that I could spend only $10 per day for food. To top it off, the on-campus housing is more expensive. Shouldn’t campus provide CHEAP housing for students? This makes me want to leave UBC…
- Anonymous, September 30, 2011 at 3:46 pm

I live in East Vancouver and I could drive out to Tsawwassen in less time than it takes for me to creep west in my morning bumper-to-bumper convoy of the damned.
- SR, Library, September 30, 2011 at 3:45 pm

My salary is competitive compared to performing a similar job at a non-profit or charity but Vancouver is just too expensive.
As a staff member with two young children I have been despairing for a while. My paycheque after deductions covers rent and both kids at UBC daycare ($1300 for 3-days/week) I am left with a couple of hundred dollars each month to pay for rising costs of food, clothing, vehicle expenses etc. We’re just able to make it with my wife’s part-time, self-employed income but if she doesn’t work (as happened this summer) we’re running up the line of credit with the bank just to keep food on the table.
As rents have risen and our family has grown we have moved further and further east. We rent a small, run down 2-BR East Van bungalow for a bit less than what a 2-BR apartment would go for on campus. We have privacy, space and a nice vegetable garden in the yard but it means I spend at least two hours on bike or bus each day commuting instead of with my family.
As long as UBC’s definition of affordable housing is slightly below west side of Vancouver market rates, most staff will be shut out.
- I.P., Staff, Faculty of Arts, September 27, 2011 at 11:59 pm

When I moved to UBC, the faculty housing assistance was not sufficient for me to enter the housing market. The assistance options have improved slightly since then, but are only available within the first seven years, and I am no longer eligible. Meanwhile, the housing prices in Vancouver have become prohibitive, having doubled to tripled over this relatively short time. The UBC Village Gate Homes rentals on campus are very nice, and are extremely convenient, even though the rental rates are not really subsidized.
- A.F, Associate Professor, Science, October 3, 2011 at 3:32 pm

We know several faculty whose behaviour changed dramatically once they moved off-campus. Owing to traffic and the loss of efficiency in terms of writing, they started coming in only 2 days a week. Gradually, they started avoiding students and meetings, the opposite of what they were doing for years when they lived on campus. The incentives became too strong. The situation also creates perverse incentives towards devoting more and more time to consulting and non-scholarly activities, or accepting visiting positions elsewhere, as soon as April comes along. Gradually, faculty who stay at UBC will find themselves becoming helicopter professors, dropping in for classes and crucial duties, and rushing off to earn money or do their long commute home. In sum, there are many benefits that are externalities and not integrated into the pure monetary equation.
- Yves Tiberghien & Darrin Lehman, October 2, 2011 at 6:04 pm

In our own case, we would like to move to a larger 3 bedroom unit on campus. But there are none available, for almost three years now.
Rent, currently charged by UBC Properties is around 15-20% lower then market. Why not making it 40% lower, allowing families to live on campus and promote sustainability by reducing commutes for 4 people a day!
- Eugene Barsky, Library, October 1, 2011 at 12:24 am

Many of my colleagues who are since quite some time at UBC could buy into the market to relatively low prices and enjoy (nominal) windfall profits with which they leverage all kind of expenditures. People like me who only recently came to UBC are in a different situation and usually can’t afford buying a house, and yes, looking for locational options is always in our mind.
- Kurt Huebner, September 30, 2011 at 10:43 am

I was disappointed when I tried to obtain rental accommodation on campus, because of the no-pets policy. There was not a single building on campus that would allow me to have my cat in the dwelling. This policy probably prevents many people from being able to live on campus, and I strongly suggest that it be changed. Pets are important in many people’s lives.
- Selina Fast, administrative-support staff, September 30, 2011 at 10:30 am

I now finally have a house that I can afford…in Squamish.
- JKS, Faculty Dept of Medicine, September 30, 2011 at 10:09 am

Arriving to UBC 2 years ago from the US we found the dip in the US market while price increase in Vancouver to be much more difficult that we initially thought.
We were very frustrated from UBC policies that seem to encourage selling on-campus housing to retirees rather than to faculty. It seems that the current administration is thinking more about the short term profit than the longer term effect on UBC. I am hoping that this will change.
We finally bought a nice house in east van. With the size of our mortgage, I will not retire before I’m 85.
- Eldad Haber, September 29, 2011 at 11:50 pm

When I arrived at UBC from Stanford, the whole “University Town” plan was just starting. Given my experience with Stanford (similarly blessed with a large amount of extraordinarily valuable land in a very expensive real estate market), it was painfully obvious the plan was not in the long-term best interests of UBC. I do not fault the folks who pushed the “University Town” through, as UBC was desperately short of money, and they executed very well on a plan to convert UBC’s land wealth into endowment dollars. The failure, though, was a lack of long-term strategic vision, to see that buildable land at UBC was more vital to the University’s future, and faster appreciating, than financial assets in an endowment.
- Alan Hu, September 29, 2011 at 11:21 pm

As many previous contributors noted, the cost of housing in greater Vancouver will very likely continue to rise.
- Marcel Franz, Professor of Physics, September 29, 2011 at 2:32 pm

My frustration has grown since 2004, until I just decided to lose any hope that UBC Trust would care about people working on campus and any hope to ever own a place. There is only so far some one can go with the mounting frustration of seeing high end condos built on campus everywhere out of reach of a family of 4. Even the condos built for faculty/staff were unaffordable. Townhouses built for faculty/staff are now back on the market at more than a million dollars. I look at other options in other cities every year.
- B. Pfeiffer, Faculty of Education, September 29, 2011 at 1:47 pm

At my salary, I would not have moved here if I had young kids at home because I would not have been able to provide them the same “home” facilities as I had in Ontario. Since my kids are all old now, moving to a condo made sense and made it possible financially but if I had a younger family, the discussion would have dramatically changed.
There is a psychological factor that makes many professors bitter and angry with UBC. When a professor feels that after 20 years of service to UBC he/she is unable to buy a unit on campus but others who have nothing to do with UBC are; it is very demoralizing. I have been hearing that on a regular basis since joining UBC.
- Dr. T. Aboulnasr, Dean of Applied Science, September 27, 2011 at 3:53 pm

Six years ago I … told the Provost at the time (Lorne Whitehead) that I was worried about UBC retaining many of the outstanding colleagues that had been hired over the past several years, and that I was particularly worried about Vancouver’s expensive housing market and the minimal assistance offered by the University (i.e., little more than covering closing costs).
Owing to an even higher Vancouver real estate market, my worry is still there. Many colleagues that we’ve hired over the past decade are highly marketable and moveable.
- Darrin Lehman, September 27, 2011 at 3:52 pm

During the recruitment process housing or the lack of affordable housing is the number one issue. It is common to every single conversation that I had with all our candidates regardless of rank.
- Vanessa Auld, Assoc Dean of Science, September 27, 2011 at 3:51 pm

In my experience, the affordability of housing comes up at some point in almost every faculty negotiation (recruitment and retention). In a couple of instances, housing was arguably the major reason a faculty member chose not to join UBC, or chose to leave.
- Simon Peacock, Dean of Science, September 27, 2011 at 3:51 pm

We have lost candidates due to the difference in housing costs with many other locations.
- Rachel Kuske, Head, Dept of Mathematics, September 27, 2011 at 3:51 pm

In Vancouver, for a newcomer like me, it is very hard to accumulate enough funds for a reasonable mortgage within a reasonable amount of time not to be out-passed by the price increase. In the UBC area, I heard that two-bedroom units are currently worth about $0.7 million or more. … As a family of four, we found that it is very hard to find a townhouse unit or three-bedroom apartment, rented or owned, unless paying a very high price.
- Y.K., Assistant Professor, Faculty of Science, September 27, 2011 at 3:51 pm

Housing issues comprised the main reason that we lost an excellent prospective faculty member, Y. M., who we had made an offer to in computational applied math a couple of years ago. He liked the department a lot, but was not able to afford to get a place to live where he and his wife would be happy raising a family. They were priced out of the market. He went to U Minnesota instead. We lost out.
As I had written to the BoG a few years ago, we almost lost another collegue to housing issues (D.C.). Somehow that catastrophe was averted at the last moment by the head’s work. I think you will find many such stories among recent hires (last 10 yrs) who left us due to the real estate woes, or candidates we wanted to attract who took a look at the housing prices and voted with their feet.
- Leah Keshet, Professor, Faculty of Science, September 27, 2011 at 3:50 pm

First a theorem: Due to a large influx of immigrants who desire to live in Vancouver, the housing price in Vancouver will grow beyond the reach of a new faculty with regular salary. This will soon become an obstacle for UBC to hire new faculty.
- T.T., Professor, Faculty of Science, September 27, 2011 at 3:50 pm

After 16 years at UBC, I’m still living in 540 square feet.
- K.B., Professor, Faculty of Science, September 27, 2011 at 3:32 pm

2003 arrive UBC. 2004 look for a house. Kid #1 arrives; decide to rent for a bit longer and save $ for better place than we could afford at that time.
2004-2008 cost of acceptable house to purchase increases faster than our ability to pay. Period of frustration at that time.
2008 investigate positions elsewhere. Obtain great offers. Nearly leave. Stay at UBC after competitive retention raise is offered.
2009 combination of slight dip in prices, low interest rates, improved housing assistance program and increased salary mean we start looking again
2010 buy house (nice place near Fraser street). Notably just barely within the “seven years at UBC” time limit on the housing assistance program.
- Daniel Coombs, Associate Professor, Mathematics, September 27, 2011 at 3:44 pm

“Only one UBC employee can afford to own a westside home.”

Unagi Don kindly posted this observation/analysis at VREAA 12 July 2011-

“Only one UBC employee can afford to own a westside home.”

#1) The income levels required to own a westside home: $496k.
http://www.yattermatters.com/2011/07/vancouver-home-buyers-adopt-slogan/

#2) The largest employer in Vancouver (which happens to be on the west side): UBC
http://www.lib.uwo.ca/programs/companyinformationcanada/canadaslargestemployersbycity2007.html

#3) The number of UBC employees earning more than $496k: 1
Prof. Donald Wehrung in Sauder School of business earns $510k.
Stephen Toope, the university president, earns only $483k.
http://www.vancouversun.com/business/public-sector-salaries/advanced.html

For the sake of comparison, the public universities in the US located in the most expensive housing areas are probably UCLA and UCSD. (I’m excluding Manhattan as single family detached homes simply do not exist there.)

At UCLA, there are roughly 100 employees with salaries over $400k:
http://www.sacbee.com/statepay/?name=&agency=UC+LOS+ANGELES&salarylevel=400000
And the average home price in Westwood (the upscale area where UCLA is) is around $650k:
http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CA-Los-Angeles/Westwood/r_118920/

It goes without saying that UCLA is not the largest employer in LA.

At UCSD, there are roughly 70 employees with salaries over $400k:
http://www.sacbee.com/statepay/?name=&agency=UC+SAN+DIEGO&salarylevel=400000
And the average home price in La Jolla (the upscale area where UCSD is) is around $1m:
http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CA-San-Diego/La-Jolla-home-value/r_46087/

UCSD is the fourth largest employer in the San Diego area.
http://www.alliant.edu/wps/wcm/connect/resources/file/eb9ce84c34a1a77/San_Diego_Major_Employers.pdf?MOD=AJPERES

“It is impossible to get honest information on the RE market. Even the analyses coming from a reputable university are manipulated by people who have vested interests in that industry.”

El Magnifico at VREAA 15 April 2011 3:21am. Excerpts - “I had a very interested conversation yesterday with the “boss” of Tsur Summerville (the RE guru at UBC). I asked a few questions about the RE market in Vancouver and his views are interesting:
– He [the "boss"] genuinely doesn’t believe that a RE crash will happen in Vancouver. He definitely thinks that the RE won’t go up anymore but he said we can expect a slight correction (maybe 5-10%) and then a flat market for years (basically until salaries/economy catch up)
– He acknowledges that there has been a massive inflow of mainland Chinese buyers in Vancouver but also told me there are no serious studies conducted regarding their impact on the market (like say % of transactions made by mainland Chinese). He said such a study won’t be conducted because it is too politically sensitive…
– The most interesting thing he said is that Tsur is definitely aware that the RE market in Vancouver is in bubble territory. He issued a few statements about that and got some heat back from the RE industry (who by the way finance most of his research). So anything that comes out of his office is being made not to offend the RE industry at large, and his sponsors… It is sad that it is impossible to get honest and genuine information on the RE market. Even the analyses coming from a reputable university are manipulated by people who have vested interests in that industry…

Young Siblings Buy UBC Condo; With Help From Petroleum Engineer Dad


“Siblings Bayan, 21, and Roya, 18, Bennett grew up in Qatar, Thailand, Venezuela, and Canada. The nomads have alighted at UBC to continue their post-secondary education—Bayan, his third year of biomedical engineering; Roya, her second year of an arts degree. Uninterested in cramped (mono-sex) student residences, they opted for a condo in the campus’s new village.
The Bennetts looked at 10 other places around town, including a spot kitty-corner to the fraternity houses, before settling on an 856-square-foot condo in the Pacific Spirit development. 5928 Birney Avenue; $655,000.
[$765 per sqft; land is leased]
They liked the water feature out front and generous patio in the back. With financial assistance from their father, a petroleum engineer, the siblings moved in at the end of July. With classes in full swing, Bayan and Roya haven’t had time to decorate the two-bedroom, two-bath unit. “It’s still kind of a mess.”
- from ‘UBC’s South Campus: A residential neighborhood is springing up in the heart of the UBC campus’, 1 Oct 2010, Vancouver Magazine

“Units here are worth $1 million. We put our life savings into this. I’m very angry and upset. If I had known it was going to be a hospice, I wouldn’t buy it for half the price.”

Excerpts from Angry Asian UBC condo owners to protest ‘bad luck’ hospice‘, The Province, 12 Jan 2011 -
“Dozens of angry Asian residents of a posh, University of B.C., highrise building aim to stage a placard-waving protest rally to protest a 15-bed hospice being planned next door. “We cannot have dying people in our backyard,” said rally organizer Janet Fan, Wednesday “It’s a cultural taboo to us and we cannot be close to so many dying people. It’s like you open your door and step into a graveyard.”  Fan lives on the 17th floor at Promontory, at 2688 West Mall, near Thunderbird Stadium. …
Fan said 80 per cent of the residents of her 18-storey building are Asian and are strongly opposed. “Units here are worth $1 million,” she added. “We put our life savings into this.” She said residents are worried the hospice will have a negative impact on their property values. …
Qing Lin, who bought a Promontory apartment for $900,000 almost a year ago, said she and her seven year old daughter will have nightmares if the hospice goes ahead. “We believe that people dying outside will bring us bad luck,” she added. “I’m very angry and upset. If I had known it was going to be a hospice, I wouldn’t buy it for half the price.” …
Sharon Wu, chairwoman of the University Neighborhood Association said 60 residents came to a UNA board meeting Tuesday. “The UNA respects cultural beliefs,” she said. “UBC is planning to address the concerns of the residents. It’s a very emotional and sensitive issue.”

UPDATE: 13 Jan 2011 Global BC news clip on this issue archived at youtube by GreenhornRET, ‘Ghosts To Decrease Real Estate Values’:

UPDATE2: Image of Promontory owners with petitions: