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“The city seems hellbent on turning Vancouver into a giant suburb. Right now it’s home but not sure if it will always be the case.”

Christopher at francesbula.com Jun 23, 2011 at 11:45 am -
“An interesting question to ask is, without the usual talk of “beauty, nature, 2 minute walk to the ocean, biking the seawall, etc” what do we have? If that were not here, how many would flee?
I was born in Winnipeg and moved here as a child and i often go back to visit family. People often joke they would never live in a city like Winnipeg yet despite its lack of size and style often has more arts and cultural events happening in the city than Vancouver does…and bonus, you can buy a house! this isn’t an endorsement for Winnipeg but when me and my wife think of leaving Vancouver the only thing that keeps us here is the ability to live a “urban” lifestyle without being stuck in the city all the time (escaping to third beach, etc).
I know there are many people in the art, music, etc scene that are trying their hardest to make Vancouver more vibrant and I applaud and support that effort but the city seems hellbent on turning Vancouver into a giant suburb. I won’t be surprised when a cactus club opens up on main street or an american eagle on commercial. It feels like we’re headed that way.
I really like Vancouver but compared to most other cities it’s not that diverse, exciting or affordable. Right now it’s home but not sure if it will always be the case. I think a lot of young(ish) adults we know are feeling this way. A lot of our friends have recently moved to Toronto or abroad.”

Opinion – “Providing for your child’s future means making sacrifices and perhaps taking on risk and debts you would not have imagined yourself doing.”

rusty at VREAA 2 July 2011 at 2:15pm -
“What’s your long range plan? Not owning means you have no assets to pass to your children. This is what it’s all about my friend; passing your wealth to your children. Yours will need to leave town and provide for their own future because you’re still pissing your money away on rent and toys. Providing for your child’s future means making sacrifices and perhaps taking on risk and debts you would not have imagined yourself doing. There’s no textbook or UBC course for this – just use common sense…if you’re not passing wealth to your children and others are for theirs, how much of a disadvantage will your kids be at? Take a look around you – those parents that are passing wealth off to their kids today are helping them buy Vancouver homes. And the parents that aren’t? Those kids are moving out of town, or renting or raising their kids in condos. You have the benefit of insight a generation before this happens to your kids.”

Whether you agree with rusty or not, you have to acknowledge that this way of thinking is part of what is driving buying in Vancouver. It is one facet of ’buy-now-or-be-priced-out-forever’ thinking. Over the last ten years, those who don’t own have not been able to expand their net-worth as rapidly or as easily as their owning peers. It thus seems to many that the only road to wealth and security, for oneself and one’s family, is by owning real estate. It drives new buyers to overextend and overbid, to go into that much more debt than is prudent.
There are no safety brakes: the Governor of the Bank of Canada may occasionally make speeches imploring people to be prudent, but how many hear him, let alone listen? The majority only hear their extended family egging them on to buy, and their bank managers assuring them they are eligible for larger mortgages than they’d themselves imagined.
Built into this line of thought is the premise that prices will continue steadily upwards.
Almost needless to say, we find this line of argument fallacious. It is the kind of thinking that prevails when risk takers have been disproportionately rewarded for more than a decade. It prevails until it stops, and when it does stop, when prices plunge and the great Vancouver RE Debt Deleveraging begins, we’ll see who has actually provided for their future. -vreaa

‘Worker’ Buys $900K House – “Accused killer slipped back to B.C. to transfer his $1.6M home into his wife’s name. She started working as a realtor in 2011.”

“An accused killer and United Nations gang leader, wanted since January in the murder of a rival, slipped back into B.C. in April to transfer his $1.6-million house into his wife’s name.
And now the palatial Burnaby residence, that was owned solely by Conor Vincent D’Monte when he was charged with murder five months ago, has been put up for sale. D’Monte and co-accused Cory Vallee are on Interpol’s Most Wanted List after being charged Jan. 24 with first-degree murder in the 2009 Langley slaying of Red Scorpion Kevin LeClair. … D’Monte, 33, attended a Metrotown law office on April 1, 2011 to sign over his Burnaby house to wife, Jennifer Kong. … Kong, who just started working as a realtor in 2011, hung up on a Sun reporter Sunday when asked about the property transfer. …
The house was built in 1988 and the annual taxes are just over $6,000. It was assessed in 2011 at $1.2 million, and is listed for $1.58 million. …
D’Monte listed his occupation as “worker” when he bought the house in 2006 for $900,000. Police say his job was to lead the day-to-day operations of the UN gang, of which he is an original member.”
Vancouver Sun, 19 Jun 2011

Interesting multifaceted anecdote:
Crime proceeds pump housing prices.
RE as money laundering vehicle.
EITHER Self-employed self-declared income gets you $900K mortgage in 2006,
OR $900K house bought with cash gets no questions asked.
Husband indisposed gangster? -> consider becoming a realtor.
- vreaa

Unnamed Eastern City – A Fine Way To Buy A House

This article on what sensible home buying should be like from ‘House Hunt Victoria’, 12 May 2011 reproduced here with kind permission of ‘HHV’.
No line ups in the rain?… No competing offers from a half a dozen other parties in the driveway?… No cellphone bids from foreign lands?… No 400K over-ask bid?… No shouting?… ‘Conditions’? [what are those? -ed.]…
The respect for the human aspect of the transaction stands out. ‘HHV’ and Froogle Scott share similarities in the way they appreciate homes as  personal artefacts.
[Note: We continue to believe that housing in Canada is an overheated speculative market, more so in Vancouver than anywhere else.]

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Buying: the search and the offer

“We’ve been at it for four long years. This search was very easy. We used a poor facsimile of VREB’s Matrix or PCS system and the MLS® website to find the houses we wanted to view. Our REALTOR® scheduled appointments. We gave her a list of 30 houses we wanted to see, 15 each day for two days. After the first day, we asked her to add 5 houses she thought we should see based on our reaction to what we’d already seen.

Day one was very fast. We’d planned to be at it for around 7-8 hours. We were done in four. Let’s just say we get to “no” very quickly. Mrs HHV came up with some handy acronyms for our listings sheets:

* NWIH = No way in hell
* NATP = Not at this price
* WAO = Worth an offer

At the end of day one we had two WAOs on our list. We repeated the process again the next day, in almost as little time. We found the home we bought around mid-day. We looked at half a dozen more afterwards. By the end of our two-days of looking we had 5 WAOs on our list and one house we thought we really wanted.

We spent the rest of that day doing what we always do when we have a big decision to make. We compared the status quo to the anticipated outcome of the action taken. Action won out. We decided to schedule a second showing and, if it showed as well the second time, make an offer. It showed better the second time.

Here’s an interesting side note: both times we viewed the home, the owners were present. Normally agents advise against this. The mobility of the owners was an issue, so they chose to stay home. We were very glad they were present. They made themselves scarce and weren’t an issue for us. But they were a big part of the gut feel we got while inspecting their home. They were the original owners and their pride showed.

When we went to make the offer our agent showed us what had sold in the neighbourhood over the previous six months. Like many neighbourhoods in Canada, prices were on the downswing. The asking price was below the assessed value, only marginally so. The home had only been on the market a few days. Our agent suggested a price. We suggested another.

The negotiation would have been very simple if the listing agent hadn’t been trying to take the day off. We had a few conditions on the offer: appraisal, inspection, financing and a change to the possession date. Our offered price was 2.6% below the asking price. We felt it was strong. Did it need to be? Given what we knew about the owners I’d say yes, it did. Given what we knew about the market conditions, I’d forgive you for telling me we paid too much.

So why did we choose to present a strong offer? Simple: the product and the people.

The house is immaculate and gives us the perfect opportunity to make it our own at our own pace. It needs nothing to make it livable today, but its old enough to make updating it worthwhile over the next 5 to 10 years. The layout is flexible. We’re a small footprint family right now, but we may not always be. The house meets both those needs.

The lot size was above average for the neighbourhood. But the home built on it was about 90% the size of many of the other houses in the neighbourhood. The price reflected the home size, but not the lot size when we reviewed comparables. We value land. We like houses, but don’t value a big house the way many people who choose to buy big homes on small lots seem to.

This house had one thing I always look for in a home: copper. If you’ve been in a new build in the last 5-7 years you’ll often see an abundance of what’s known in the plumbing world as PEX. We don’t like it and don’t trust the long term viability of it. I’d say 60% of the homes we viewed were plumbed with PEX versus copper. That was enough for us to rule them out, “good bones” and all that. All the major upkeep work had already been done: roof, siding, furnace, hot water heater etc.

This home was well-loved. Enough so that I wanted to know how it was well-loved. That was worth something to us: not leaving a distaste in the process of selling the home for the current owners. We wanted inside knowledge and were willing to pay for it.

Our agent suggested an offer price $5,000 lower than what we suggested.

The owner of the home had already decided his final price. It was $5,000 higher than our offer. When that came back we countered a matched price, but asked for some things around the property we knew the current owner didn’t want to move (another reason why we were thankful they’d been around for the viewings and we’d had a chance to ask them a few questions). We certainly didn’t get $5,000 worth of items, but we did them a service (they don’t have to try to sell the lawnmower, yard tools, gas BBQ, spare fridge etc) and we saved a bit of time/money not having to go out and try to buy all this stuff anyway.

When I attended the home inspection 5 days after having the accepted offer in place, the inspector confirmed our gut feel had been right. No home inspection will ever be “perfect,” but the total “fixes” necessary to this house are priced out under $500. Even better, the owners of the home showed me everything I had wanted to know about the house: how the sprinkler system works, how to maintain the water system, how to shut down the gas and water supplies, how to run the A/C/heatpump unit etc. We exchanged numbers and they’ll be a good knowledge source in the future should anything surprise us.

Much of the time we discuss properties here at HHV, we focus on the financial side of things. We have to in Victoria because the prices dictate us to be excessively prudent to prevent ourselves from getting overwhelmed by the emotional side of buying a home and ending up in a potentially financially ruinous situation. Buying a home is emotional though, you can see that in some of my description above. It’s been a positive experience for us thus far. We’re not in the house yet and we know there will likely be a few initial “moments” when we are, but we’re thankful that the price we paid allowed us to embrace the emotional side of the home buying experience — there’s value in that too.”

Family Wedding RE Chat – “Despite the American relatives pointing out the ridiculousness of these arguments, there was no convincing the Vancouverites that it’s a bubble.”

pricedoutfornow at vancouvercondo.info May 22nd, 2011 at 7:27 pm -
“Went to a family wedding this weekend. American relatives were attending, and as usual as per social conversations in Vancouver, the topic quickly became real estate. The Vancouverites were jumping up and down, telling my American relatives that “Vancouver is different, it won’t crash here, we have Chinese investors, we have mountains.” Despite the American relatives pointing out the ridiculousness of these arguments, there was no convincing the Vancouverites that it’s a bubble, and it will crash here too, just like it has in their home country. Finally, the Americans realized there was no convincing these delusional, irrational people, finally one just turned away, and remarked under his breath “Well, sure sounds like a bubble to me.”
I think the Americans would know, they’ve seen this hype before (and are now buying properties in Florida for half price). They just shake their heads sadly and sigh “Poor Canadians, they will learn.”

Social Effects Of A Real Estate Cult – “We’ve created a generation of young people whose sole ambition is to have a piece of property under their name”

Extracts from ‘For Many Chinese Men, No Deed Means No Dates‘, NYTimes, 14 Apr 2011 [hat-tip both Nemesis and Nick] -
“In the realm of eligible bachelors, Wang Lin has a lot to recommend him. A 28-year-old college-educated insurance salesman, Mr. Wang has a flawless set of white teeth, a tolerable karaoke voice and a three-year-old Nissan with furry blue seat covers. “My friends tell me I’m quite handsome,” he said in confident English one recent evening, fingering his car keys as if they were a talisman. But by the exacting standards of single Chinese women, it seems, Mr. Wang lacks that bankable attribute known as real property. Given that even a cramped, two-bedroom apartment on the dusty fringe of the capital sells for about $150,000, Mr. Wang’s $900-a-month salary means he may forever be condemned to the ranks of the renting. Last year, he said, this deficiency prompted a high-end dating agency to reject his application. In recent months, half a dozen women have turned down a second meeting after learning that he had no means to buy a home. “Sometimes I wonder if I will ever find a wife,” said Mr. Wang, who lives with his parents, retired factory workers who remind him of his single status with nagging regularity. “I feel like a loser.”

Working-class buyers have been frozen out of the market while an estimated 65 million apartments across the country bought as speculative investments sit empty.

Han Han, one of China’s most widely read bloggers, frequently assails the government policies that he and many economists say have contributed to rapidly rising prices. In an interview, he said one consequence of the single-minded focus on real estate, or on earning the money to make mortgage payments and repay family loans, is that young people have little time for anything else. “We’ve created a generation of young people whose sole ambition is to have a piece of property under their name,” he said.
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While the social ramifications of the owner/renter divide in Vancouver is less extreme, it’s not a million miles from that described in this article. – vreaa

“I am left with a feeling of discouragement of how there are so many people like him, who are bamboozled by the media spewing biased reporting.”

alx at vancouvercondo.info April 1st, 2011 at 5:41 pm-
“I just had a brief “water cooler” discussion with a fairly good friend/coworker. The topic started off with RRSP and if I also “max it out”. I said I pay rent and have a family, so I don’t have the funds to max it out (I don’t even think it’s great idea to dump all savings into RRSP), whereas he has no “significant other” and lives with parents. Topic then drifted towards the amount of rent I pay, and whether I am looking to buy. I made my opinion known, and he leans towards the “Vancouver is different” belief. He said “prices are going up everywhere” and brought up “Asian money”.
I just told him not to rely on mainstream media. He’s not a sheeple – he has a healthy dose of skepticism for the media – but obviously he hasn’t done his research and only heard sound bites from TV anchors and read snippets from the Vancouver Sun. I said prices are not going up everywhere — In fact, prices are coming down in most places with the exception of places like Vancouver and Richmond. There is an implosion back to ground zero (i.e. Vancouver). I also cited examples of other major cities that had the same lame excuses of why prices were going up, and why we don’t hear about them anymore.
I did not intend on trying to convince him of anything within a quick 5 minutes, but I hope I instilled a tiny idea that perhaps things are not as rosy as some media would like him to think. I really had to try to refrain myself from “coming on too strong” and overwhelm him with all that I learned in the past 3 years of reading up on RE almost daily.
After the discussion I am left with a feeling of discouragement of how there are so many people like him, who are bamboozled by the media spewing ads and their biased reporting. To stay truly informed takes a lot of time and energy, and many of them aren’t interested enough to care. And honestly, it’s also not easy for most of us to tell us what we know without being too passionate and turn them off even more.
Thanks to sites like vancouvercondo.info for making us not feel too alone out there, and with all the archives, we at least have something to send to our friends if they choose to be better informed.”

Avoiding Vancouver, Ongoing – “Businesses are starting to move out of Vancouver. The cost of living is too high to justify the salaries for employees.”

From the comment section of the G&M 17 Mar 2011 article ‘Vancouver’s new fleet of cargo tricycles’: ‘General Ham’ 18 Mar 2011, 4:15pm“Businesses are starting to move out of Vancouver. The cost of living is too high to justify the salaries for employees. We have already moved some of our operations to Vaughn and the remaining jobs will be moved to Texas this fall. Total loss will be 20 professional jobs.”

G&M readers were voting that comment down. Hard to imagine exactly why.  – vreaa

“My office mate just bought a house WAYYY above his means in Vancouver.”

Trollette at vancouvercondo.info March 14th, 2011 at 1:34 pm- “My office mate just bought a house WAYYY above his means in Vancouver. He did not come to work this morning. You know why? His breaker blew up!!! He could not believe how much he had to pay to have it fixed by an electrician. Apparently the wiring had been done in a rush during the pre-sale renos, and was not to code…”

“I grew up in the West End, and, while it has always been a transitional neighbourhood, it’s sad to see it the way it is right now.”

Ricky in the comment section of ‘Vancouver’s Downtown Chases out Kids’, The Tyee, 2 Mar 2011“I grew up in the West End, and, while it has always been a transitional neighborhood, it’s sad to see it the way it is right now. The two remaining pillars of culture there are the gay community and a surprisingly lasting Korean community, both of which are insular and provide no children. The working class is gone, off to Surrey or elsewhere, and unlike previous generations, no new round of city-dwelling working class immigrants are there to take their place, just dumb yuppies willing to pay the outrageous rents.
I remember a few years ago sitting at the new Starbucks at Denman and Davie when some neighborhood kids walked by on the way to the beach, making some noise as teenagers do. The yuppie harpies with their Ontario accents at the next table commented, “Look at that. The should ban these yahoos from coming in from Surrey or wherever they’re from.”

Young Siblings Buy UBC Condo; With Help From Petroleum Engineer Dad


“Siblings Bayan, 21, and Roya, 18, Bennett grew up in Qatar, Thailand, Venezuela, and Canada. The nomads have alighted at UBC to continue their post-secondary education—Bayan, his third year of biomedical engineering; Roya, her second year of an arts degree. Uninterested in cramped (mono-sex) student residences, they opted for a condo in the campus’s new village.
The Bennetts looked at 10 other places around town, including a spot kitty-corner to the fraternity houses, before settling on an 856-square-foot condo in the Pacific Spirit development. 5928 Birney Avenue; $655,000.
[$765 per sqft; land is leased]
They liked the water feature out front and generous patio in the back. With financial assistance from their father, a petroleum engineer, the siblings moved in at the end of July. With classes in full swing, Bayan and Roya haven’t had time to decorate the two-bedroom, two-bath unit. “It’s still kind of a mess.”
- from ‘UBC’s South Campus: A residential neighborhood is springing up in the heart of the UBC campus’, 1 Oct 2010, Vancouver Magazine

52% Backed By Real Estate – Analysis Of Contributions To Campaign Of Christy Clark, New Leader of the BC Liberals


Who influences our political leaders?

Here follows the results of an analysis of the sources of campaign donations to Christy Clark, new leader of the BC Liberal Party.
(Thanks to ‘Nemesis’ [at VREAA 27 Feb 2011] for the list [pdf here].)

Methodology:
Each source was researched online, and classified by industry type, as best as possible based on available information.
Results were analyzed by number of contributors, and by dollar amounts.
Businesses classified as real estate related were developers, contractors, construction, property managers, realtors, and RE marketers.
A minority of sources (21 of 147) could not be reliably classified (for instance numbered or named corporations with no online presence, or individuals whose industry affiliations could not be ascertained) and they are classified accordingly.

Results:
Total contributions: $513,200*
Total number of contributors: 147*
[*For the sake of this analysis, we have removed the single line item '55 donations under $250' and the $5,840 that they contributed.]

Contributors & contributions by group:

A. Contributor known to be affiliated primarily with RE related industry:
(i) Number: 46/147
(ii) Dollar amount: $267,250

B. Contributor known to be affiliated primarily with industry that is not RE related:
(i) Number: 80/147
(ii) Dollar amount: $212,300

C. Contributors where industry affiliation cannot be ascertained:
(i) Number: 21/147
(ii) Dollar amount: $33,650

Percentage of known industry affiliated contributions coming from contributors with known RE affiliation:  55.7% ($267,250 of $479,550)

Percentage of all contributions coming from contributors with known RE industry affiliation:  52.1% ($267,250 of $513,200)

Comment:
We anticipated that the RE-affiliated portion would be large, but 52% is substantially larger than we expected, very much more than the percentage of our GDP made up by directly RE-related industry (20-22%, we believe).
Powerful vested interests means ongoing misallocation of resources.
The provincial and municipal governments will likely continue to do everything possible to perpetuate the speculative mania in Vancouver’s housing markets.
-vreaa

Three Strikes; We’re Outta Here – “If you like shoebox living or eighteen renters in your basement, by all means, make Vancouver your home.”

Angie at VREAA 26 February 2011 at 3:09 pm“After living and working abroad for a few years my husband (Scottish Nationality) and I moved back to Vancouver, my home town to start our family. After 1 year of living here we packed our bags for Ottawa and a decent wage and cost of living average. We bought a house and had 3 kids and lived the good life. We decided to move back to the West Coast to be closer to family and see if maybe things have changed. Instead of getting better things are just getting worse. It is only when you see how life is lived elsewhere that you can appreciate how wrong things are here. Vancouver is my home but there is only so much hype one can take, if you like shoebox living or eighteen renters in your basement by all means make vancouver your home, but after three failed attempts at finding balance in Vancouver I am happy to say I am making the right decision by leaving for good!!!”

“It doesn’t matter how intelligent, educated, or mathematically inclined someone is: when it comes to real estate, it’s like they’ve suddenly taken crazy pills.”

Yalie at vancouvercondo.info February 21st, 2011 at 5:28 pm“I don’t know why, but for some reason it doesn’t matter how intelligent, educated, or mathematically inclined someone is: when it comes to real estate, it’s like they’ve suddenly taken crazy pills. Case in point – I was having lunch with a friend who’s an extremely successful (and highly paid) corporate lawyer, who’s looking to buy a house soon. This is one of the smartest guys I know, and he deals exclusively with corporate finance and securities law.
He mentioned that he’s in a rush to find a place soon, because “interest rates are likely going up and that’s going to increase monthly payments”. I mentioned that higher interest rates would mean lower prices, but he countered with “sure, but that still means the monthly payment will be the same either way”. So he figures it’s still better to buy now.
So one of the most intelligent, financially-savvy guys I know can’t figure out that it’s better to pay a lower price with higher rates than a higher price with lower rates, given the same monthly. And this guy deals with billion-dollar securities all day long.
There really is no reasoning with people over real estate. I have had similar conversations with several other people, and it never seems to make a difference. When someone has made up their mind to buy a house, all they want to hear is reasons why they should do it.”

“In the last three years, at least six of my married friends have left town because of the cost of living here.”

tincup at VREAA  16 February 2011 at 7:22 pm
“I seen this more and more lately as well. In the last three years, at least six of my married friends have left town because of the cost of living here. Their professions are solid middle class; teachers, physiotherapists, plumbers, carpenters etc. all with young children. The new people we’ve met who’ve moved here in that time? Two couples where both husband and wife are specialist doctors. One couple moved back to Ontario after a year due to the ridiculous house prices. The other couple is staying because they are heavily into the outdoor lifestyle, but they live what would be considered an upper middle class lifestyle in the rest of the country.
Also, just the other day a friend who works as a manager in the federal government said they keep losing people here (mostly for jobs that pay $50k-$60k) because of the cost of living.
In Vancouver, a family living a middle class lifestyle means two wage earners, both with six figure incomes.”

Another Family Gathering; Another RE Discussion – “A few words into mentioning that she plans to sell her home, she was interrupted with “Don’t do it… you can never buy one back. Prices will keep going up and you’ll be priced out…”

specialfx3000 at vancouvercondo.info February 14th, 2011 at 7:57 am-
“Another family gathering, another discussion that led to RE:
A family member was given an opportunity to work on the island but she knows she’ll miss the family and the GVR so she suggests that she will do the stint for a couple years then return home.
A few words into mentioning that she plans to sell her home, she was interrupted with “Don’t do it… you can never buy one back. Prices will keep going up and you’ll be priced out…” Another agreed. Then a 3rd agreed. (Of course they go on mentioning the Asian invasion and low interest rates, and blah blah blah) I wanted to say something but decided to keep my mouth shut. Why bother? These people believe the world is flat and I could bring whatever data I wanted to and there’s no way of convincing them otherwise.
I will chat with the family member in private at a later time.”

Spot The Speculator #27 – “She is a lawyer and is quite set financially and probably did this flip for a bit of fun: well, she got ~150k clear.”

Anonimi at VREAA 8 Feb 2011 10:42pm“My aunt bought a condo in UBC south campus three years ago (pre-sell) – she is a lawyer and is quite set financially and probably did this for a bit of fun: well, she flipped and got ~150k clear (tax not inc;): for all you race profilers out there – the condo is almost 100% chinese, the creame de la creame of mainland China.”

Story of a local speculator flipping a presale for a profit of (150K – taxes/costs), and, it seems, for the pleasure of the diversion. Reminds us of the statement from Tracie McTavish, president of Rennie Marketing Systems, “Real estate is like a sport here.” … Extreme condo flipping. -vreaa

“I’m just plain sick of hearing from everyone how much they have made from flipping houses while I sit there renting.”

Singh at greaterfool.ca 31 Jan 2011 12:45am“I’m just plain sick of hearing from everyone how much they have made from flipping houses while I sit there renting. Can’t wait for this all to play out!”

“He has been infected with this way of thinking from MSM and friends. Hard to blame him as he has seen his house triple in value in 15 years, he is a simple hard working man, somehow always lucky with real estate.”

4SlicesofCheese at VREAA 29 January 2011 at 12:59 am-
“My father tells me buy now price does not matter.
If you don’t like the place move in 2-3 years and it will be worth 60-70k more.
If you cannot pay the mortgage just sell it and buy a cheaper place with the money you made from selling it.
He is not only giving me advice he actually wants to give me 200k for downpayment, even with that and my own I would still not even consider it.
Everytime I visit my parents, first thing he asks me is have I looked at any new houses. I just have to say “Yeah I am going to an open house this weekend”. I tried once to tell him I think there’s a bubble, that did not go well haha I will just stick to my “Yeah I am going to an open house this weekend”

He has been infected with this way of thinking from MSM and friends. Meanwhile not listening to anything his family says, including a nephew that works at Goldman Sachs who called the bubble in the states years ago and says the same thing is going on here now.
Hard to blame him as he has seen his house triple in value in 15 years, he is a simple hard working man, somehow always lucky with real estate.
At the same time a few of my aunts have lost ALOT of money in the past investing but that does not seem to take that into account.”

“The day I embraced the fact that I would be in the Lower Mainland for at least the next several years – and I realized that I was completely fine with the idea that I might rent that whole time – was a GREAT one.”

Royce McCutcheon [at VREAA 20 Jan 2011 11:44am] has some wise advice for those caught on the wrong side of the bubble – “Make a choice NOW. Don’t hedge. Don’t wait till the end of this year. Ask yourself: how much sleep have I lost over this issue? How many fights have I had with my partner? How much stress have I carried with me because of this? How much WORSE will my obsession with this issue be as I consider the implications of having an expanded family?
The day I embraced the fact that I would be in the Lower Mainland for at least the next several years – and I realized that I was completely fine with the idea that I might rent that whole time – was a GREAT one. It removed some seriously pointless baggage. Life can’t be lived waiting for things to happen – and while I truly believe things here are going to correct soon, I can’t tell for certain if we’ll see it start this Spring or a few years out – or if I’m flat out wrong. Do you want to worry about how this issue is going to affect your life for that long? A terrible thought.
So do the pro/con calculations with your partner TODAY, ruminate, and make a CHOICE. Choose to stay for a longer time line (like several years) or choose to move soon and start building your new life ASAP. You don’t have to carve it in stone, but at least put it on the wall with some fairly permanent ink. The funny thing is that there’s a decent chance you’ll be happier either way.
Make a call together and then stick with it.
And as a post-script: nothing says you can’t stay engaged on this issue from an intellectual standpoint. I’ve actually found it to be much more interesting once I stopped considering it so much vis-à-vis my own life.”

“I can tell she gets tense when I trot out the usual arguments about why it’s STILL a bad time to buy.”

tincup at VREAA 18 Jan 2011 7:43pm“Much like all the people in the US who vowed they would move to Canada if Bush were elected for a second term, we have not followed through with our plan to move away from Vancouver if things didn’t start correcting by fall 2010. We simply renewed our plan…”if things haven’t turned around by fall 2011.” The difference now though is that due to a growing family we simply can’t stay in our current (cheap) place beyond that, and the S.O. is very anti-renting now due to the eccentricity of our current landlord. I can tell she gets tense when I trot out the usual arguments about why it’s STILL a bad time to buy. It’ll be an eventful 2011 for me, that’s for sure. If/when we buy, it won’t be at the bottom but hopefully it’ll be down enough that I won’t feel like all that patience was wasted. Vancouver really is different in the sense that it is taking forever for this correction to get going.”

Chin up; you are not alone. It’s bloody difficult to live through these times on the wrong side of the bubble. The market is a massive distraction, and it hinders regular folks who are simply trying to get on with their lives. It wastes time and misallocates resources. It causes people to leave or avoid living in our city. Affordable (not necessarily cheap, no one is expecting that) housing (to rent, and, yes, to own) is far, far better for a society. Economically, socially, psychologically. It’s going to take a while to resolve, but it will normalize. The more people that are scared off, the worse the comeuppance. Let’s hope sanity returns soon. -vreaa

UPDATE: tincup at VREAA 20 Jan 2010 1:37pm“Just to mix things up even more though, yesterday I found out that my very solid, stable job is being relocated. Exactly where is uncertain at this point, but the options (not decided by me) range from pretty nice mountain town to god-aweful northern hole. If they decide on the latter, I’ll be looking for a new job. 2011 will be an interesting and stressful year.
Sure glad I don’t own right now…”

“My pleading with my spouse to buy met with nothing but negativity. I am no longer with the lass who put up the road blocks to buy this grand old home.”

eyesthebye at RE Talks, 6 Jan 2011, 6:37pm -
Real estate regrets, got any? I have a few, but let’s get specific.
I wasn’t ready to buy at the time but I would have jumped all over these two.

Regret #1
1606 East 15th ave
Just off Commercial Drive on the hill at E. 15th ave sat a stunning old arts and crafts. Stained glass, fantastic stonework, incredible view of the north shore and a park right across the road. The house sits on a dead end street to minimize traffic.
Now here’s the good part…it sat on an oversize lot with the vacant portion being a corner lot. Asking price circa 2003 – I believe it was 679K but I could be mistaken.
Fast forward to today. On the previous vacant corner now sits a nicely done heritage style duplex. Assessed value of each duplex is 632K each (or about 800K market value each unit). The old arts and crafts has an assessed at 978K and the home should easily be one of the most valuable in East Vancouver. Conservative value 1.3M
Total of all = 2.9 Million

Regret #2
2316 Gravely
circa 2005 this “fixer upper” was available for 369K. It’s a finely build 1912 arts and crafts close to Commercial Drive.
Amazingly, it sat on the market for many months. My pleading with my spouse to buy the home met with nothing but negativity. When it was finally bought my heart sank.
Fast forward to today. The home was nearly gutted and redone to it’s original splendor. I drive by every now and again to appreciate what might have been. Assessed value is 1,060,000 and market value is likely in the 1.4M range. Yes gang, I am no longer with the lass who put up the road blocks to buy this grand old home.

“Have you thought about putting it up for sale?” … “Not right now. We’ll wait until the summer.”

TPFKAA at VREAA 28 Dec 2010 4:07pm -
“I visited a friend for some drinks recently. Thought long and hard about bringing up real estate… then thought I owed it to them to at least mention what several economists and respected experts have been saying lately that may impact their lives. They sold a nice SFH back East and bought a “poky, tiny – in their words” condo here 3 years ago, with downpayment help from family; despite household income above average. So I asked if they had been following the Van real estate market recently.
“Why?”
“Because some have been saying that there may be a little bit of a correction coming.”
(I deliberately understate here… being cautious not to spoil the mood)
“That’s what we’re scared of. We’re worried that we’re going to get stuck here, with the value being less than what we owe on it. We’re pretty worried. Now we’re thinking that if we can escape with breaking even, we’ll be okay. We’ll be ok with that”
“So have you thought about putting it up for sale?”
“Not now. Not right now. We’ll wait till next summer.”
“I can point you in the direction of some websites where people post analyses and economic indicators and stuff to help you with your decisions. If you like.”
“We’ll work it out, It’s okay.”
He then quickly changes the subject. He’s obviously very worried, with a growing family, about becoming trapped by negative equity – it was clearly not their choice for a multi-decade domicile. I avoid the subject completely from now on. It’s not my business and I don’t want to say whose predictions are correct. But I would try selling now, knowing what I know.”

“I’ve been trying to get my Mom, who lives in Richmond, to sell for $750k and down size to a 2 bdrm apartment/condo to secure the cash. She won’t do it.”

$froma$ia at greaterfool.ca 20 Dec 2010 at 12:55 am“For the last 6 months I’ve been trying to get my MOM, who lives in Richmond, to sell for $750k and down size to a 2 bdrm apartment/condo to secure the cash. She won’t do it. I asked here if she has anymore earning years left in her 76 year old body… She says no.”

Debtors Will Be The New Social Pariahs – “Anytime I see somebody who mentions they “just bought a house,” I’m automatically hesitant to contact them.”

Jayco49 at VREAA 10 December 2010 at 10:40 am“I’m involved in online dating. I don’t want to get involved with a women who is over leveraged because of some shoebox she purchased in the last couple of years. I’m looking for renters!! I don’t want to take on their financial mess when this whole thing heads in the other direction.”

ChrisG at VREAA 10 December 2010 at 12:23 pm“I’ve been on that same dating website and seen countless profiles where women say, “I own a house,” implying they are financially responsible (without giving any regard, it seems, to price paid). I think it’s a great anecdotal indicator of the irrational times we’re in.
I totally get Jayco49′s comment as well. Anytime I see somebody with “real estate” as a profession or who mentions they “just bought a house,” I’m automatically hesitant to contact them.”

Self Referencing Meta-Post – “The best indicator that there’s a RE bubble in Vancouver? The fact that there’s a RE blog (VREAA) that is basically dedicated to comments posted on other RE blogs.”

Anonymous at vancouvercondo.info December 4th, 2010 at 9:03 am -
“The best indicator that there’s a RE bubble in Vancouver?
Nope, it’s not rent-value ratios, median income, affordability, etc.
It’s the fact that there’s a RE blog (VREAA) that is basically dedicated to comments posted on another RE blog (VCI)…
A blog about comments on another blog that basically consists of comments….nice.”

vreaa replied December 4th, 2010 at 9:10 am -
“You make a good point, one that is not lost on many of us.
The fact that so many spend so much time thinking about the RE markets is itself an example of the misallocation of resources that occurs during a bubble.
We are aware of this.
In unusual times, people do unusual things.

[For the record, we source anecdotes from wherever they are available: RE blogs, news sources, e-mails directly to us, word of mouth, etc. VCI (vancouvercondo.info) is certainly our single 'richest' source for anecdotes. This is because it's the most active discussion about Vancouver RE out there at present. 'Anonymous' is incorrect to imply that VCI is our sole source, but, we believe, is correct to point out that the simple fact that VREAA exists can be seen as further evidence of a bubble. In 'normal' markets conditions we certainly wouldn't be collecting anecdotes. -vreaa]

Social Effects Of The Bubble – “I happened to go onto the dating site, Plenty of Fish, and saw a profile of a beautiful lady in which she stated very clearly that you must OWN not RENT to be someone she wants to date.”

LookingforaGoodName at vancouvercondo.info December 5th, 2010 at 11:04 pm- “I happened to go onto the dating site, Plenty of Fish, and saw a profile of a beautiful lady in which she stated very clearly that you must OWN not RENT to be someone she wants to date. I couldn’t believe it. I looked for a place on the site to open a discussion on the issue, but I didn’t find any.”

“Sigh. Another weekend, another family gathering. Another evening of hearing the same robophrases “Why haven’t you bought yet? You should buy!”; “You’re throwing your money away by renting.” It really reminds me of when I hung out with a group of evangelicals.”

pricedoutfornow at vancouvercondo.info December 3rd, 2010 at 10:29 pm“Sigh. Another weekend, another family gathering. Another evening of hearing “Why haven’t you bought yet? You should buy!” When I try to argue that it would cost me $1000 more to buy this same place rather than rent, I just get blank looks and the same robophrases “But you’re throwing your money away by renting.” and “But real estate always goes up.” It sure is tiresome. It really reminds me of my high school days in the Okanagan when I hung out with a group of evangelicals. They were convinced I was going to hell since I was a non-believer (or rather, I just questioned things intensely). Now I guess I will be sentenced to the hell of renting for the rest of my life. I am doomed. (But hey at least I save $1000 a month and can take vacations every year, unlike some homeowners I know!) huh. Some hell. I’ll take it!”
and, after the event, on December 4th, 2010 at 7:25 pm“I told my (future) sister-in-law last night that it would cost me more than $1000 a month more to buy this place than what I’m currently paying in rent. I asked her where I’m supposed to come up with an extra $1000 a month (which is not really the point, since I’m actually putting $1000 a month into a savings account). But being the brilliant person that she is, told me that I don’t have to, then spouted some nonsense about low mortgage rates. And then what happens when rates go up to 7% when I go to renew? She said I should probably just go find a better job (ya right, like it’s so easy!). Then she said disdainfully, “But you’re renting” like, EWWWW!!!! Funny how she walked around the place unimpressed because it’s a “rental” but if I’d lied and told her I’d bought I’m sure she’d be gushing over the gas fireplace and stainless steel appliances.
People are dumb.”

Planned Boomer Sales – In One Extended Family, 5 of 7 Homes Will Be Sold

‘t’ at vancouvercondo.info November 28th, 2010 at 6:07 am- “With regards to boomers selling to either leave the market or downsize…
My parents intend to leave us the house, so they will not be selling…and neither will we because the house simply has too much sentimental value for my sibs and I.
Out of 5 sets of Aunts/Uncles, the eldest has recently sold their home to free up retirement funds. I suspect that 2 other sets will be selling for the same reason in the next 10-15 years.
For the Grandparents, the West-side homes will likely end up being sold because no one in the inheriting group can afford to buy out the other members, and I doubt any of us will be content to leave our share in.”

[Update: One uncle does not own. So, of 7 homes, 5 will be sold. -ed.]

“A friend was telling me about how corrupt rich Chinese are buying up everything in Canada. Businesses, real estate, it doesn’t matter, they just want somewhere to park their ill-gotten cash. Buying businesses without even looking at the books, they just don’t care! They have so much money, they just buy everything!” (/sarcasm)

Sour Grapes at vancouvercondo.info November 26th, 2010 at 10:59 pm“A friend was telling me about how corrupt rich Chinese are buying up everything in Canada. Businesses, real estate, it doesn’t matter, they just want somewhere to park their ill-gotten cash. Buying businesses without even looking at the books, they just don’t care! They have so much money, they just buy everything! Vancouver is a fantastic city and they’re just starting to hear about it (in November 2010) because of the Olympics. His realtor friends keep telling him how rich Chinese are buying everything in sight, there’s no end to the sales.
So why don’t they buy up the Olympic Village? Oh, he says, they only buy land. Condos don’t matter to them. The prestige is in buying land.
So why are condos going up like crazy in China? Oh, he says, the rich buy the land, and everyone else buys the condos.
So where is everyone else getting the money to buy the overpriced condos? Before he could answer, he had to go lie down because he suddenly had another one of his migraines.
I guess making shit up causes headaches. I can understand that.”

“When we settled into our rented apartment she still seemed upset, and confused about why we were renting.”

C at greaterfool.ca 23 Oct 2010 at 7:30 am“My wife and I sold our condo back in April 2010. We’ve been renting since. At first it took a ton of effort to convince the wife why we should rent and why buying again at this time would be foolish. She reluctantly agreed. When we settled into our rented apartment she still seemed upset, and confused about why we were renting. I just kept printing off 3rd party info, statistics, graphs, charts, and explained to her what they meant. A lot of times they were/are similar to the US situation 4-5 years ago. Now, when we discuss the renting/buying situation she says no need to explain it, I’m on board with you. It feels good to hear that. So for those guys with girlfriends/fiancees/wives with house lust, just be patient and back it up with BASIC 3rd party info. Anyone can say things will go up or down, but if you back it up with concrete statistics from another party, it should help shape the probabilities of things to come. I know there are husbands out there with house lust too so do the same thing with them, and throw in a 6 pack of beers and that should do the trick.”

Every City Has Them – “He is convinced that Toronto is the only city in the world worth investing in.”

CTO on greaterfool.ca 22 Oct 2010 10.33pm“I had a long debate with my nephew this evening. He is convinced that Toronto is the only city in the world worth investing in, and prices here will never drop. He says the condo market $/sqft is the same or less than NYC and that’s cheap for a “world” city like Toronto. He thinks anyone buying outside Toronto is a fool and will not double their money. So many think like him here….they are so smug and self righteous.”

“I was stuck at Thanksgiving dinner this last weekend. My brother in law, a new home owner, went on and on about real-estate.”

real_professional at vancouvercondo.info October 12th, 2010 2:53 pm“I was stuck at Thanksgiving dinner this last weekend and my brother in law was there. He went on and on about real-estate – no surprise since he is a new home owner.
Try as I might, I could not meaningfully direct the conversation to something less inflammatory like religion, politics, or sex. But I decided to just semi-quietly observe the conversation. A few things occurred to me – one of which is how bullish the “dumb money” still is … which don’t get me wrong, is a good thing because you need bulls for a market to crash… And by dumb money I mean: people who haven’t researched any trends, people who haven’t compared prices to anywhere else in the world, or haven’t looked at any metrics on valuations or social debt burdens.
A few things that came out of the conversation:
1) Olympics based boom!!… Are they on crack still quoting the benefits of that dead horse which never was alive in the first place?
2) Rich Chinese people!… – I interjected and asked if they were aware of the Chinese property bubble forming in China and economic issues with the inflating of the Yuan? They looked at me with more dumb money looks.
3) Immigration trends!..?? I piped up and said, growth rates of BC population haven’t changed over the decades and if anything, have been slower this decade than the past – not by much, but definitely no spikes. I went on to say if the population grows at a steady predictable pace that should already be priced into home valuations. More dumb money looks!
4) Strong job market!…? Unemployment is over 8%!!!
5) What a good deal the US housing market is? – Ok, things are tempting south of the border in some regards, but it is far from a recovery, possibly a bottom, but not a recovery furthermore, they were saying this two years ago.
6) Renting is throwing your money away! I couldn’t even comment lest I be struck down with a vengeance of a thousand angry men.
7) The only way to get rich is through real-estate!!!?????? The ONLY WAY????
For what I have had to endure I am going to hate real estate even after the market crashes and I am a home owner.”

“I explained to her that I’m happy renting and she reminded me that renting is throwing away money when it could be put towards a mortgage.”

specialfx3000 at vancouvercondo.info 12 Oct 2010 8.19 am“Over the Turkey weekend, a relative asked me again if I’m still in the market. She reminds me that the rich Asians are taking their wealth out of China and will continue to pump up the Vancouver prices. She said their dirty money needs to be invested in our safe-haven country. I explained to her that I’m happy renting and she reminded me that renting is throwing away money when it could be put towards a mortgage. I told her sales are drying up and she said it’s just the season. I told her local income cannot support the prices and she says that don’t matter. She of course bragged about how much her house is worth now. Thank goodness my baby started crying so I politely ended the conversation.”

“And for the last year and a half she’s basically been yelling at me, saying that she’s missed out on some good locations because I’ve been telling her to wait.”

itsonlymoney at RE Talks 15 Sept 2010 1:16pm“So for the last, I’d say, year, year and a half, I’ve been telling my sister just wait..wait..wait before you buy, because there’s going to be price corrections. And for the last year and a half she’s basically been yelling at me, saying that she’s missed out on some good locations because I’ve been telling her to wait. My thought is there’s going to be a big price correction, but I’ll be damned, this stubborn market keeps chugging away year after year, so who knows? With that being said, my sister is now interested in purchasing at the new Uptown development by Concord Pacific (Kingsway & 12th). Its advertising as nearly all units below $350,000.”

“I am off with my family to Italy for 2 1/2 weeks, this wonderful little trip made possible by my landlord.”

McLovin at vancouvercondo.info 7 Sep 2010 6:23 pm“I am off with my family to Italy for 2 1/2 weeks, one week in a villa in Umbria and one week in a villa on the Amalfi coast. This wonderful little trip (I hope we will remember for a lifetime) has been made possible by my landlord. We rent a wonderful 3br condo in Yaletown for 31% of the cost of owning it. The money I am “throwing away” on rent has made this trip possible.”

“Someone who just graduated from university and not a few months later is a real estate “owner.”

oneangryslav2 at vancouvercondo.info 1 Sept 2010 at 11:31pm“I went down to Granville Island for an orientation seminar for the upcoming Vancouver Fringe Festival. After the seminar we lined up for volunteer passes and t-shirts, and I was standing in front of a pleasant young lady with whom I began to make conversation. She’s a recent SFU graduate in English and works for a real estate development firm creating specification brochures for purchasers. She could be as young as 22, but looked to be in her mid-20s and we started to talk about the real estate market and I mentioned that I would not buy in this market as it is due for a major correction. She tepidly agreed then blurted out “my fiance and I just bought a condo off of Commercial Drive.” There you go, someone who just graduated from uni and not a few months later is a real estate “owner.” Are there any FTBs left to prop up this market? I was about to inquire about the particulars–how old her fiance is, is this a first-time purchase for either or both of them, etc., but circumstances intervened.”

RE ATM Still Putting Out – “Now he’s vacating his digs for a lengthy reno, and being the bro, I can assure you this is all being done on credit.”

Tonguestump at vancouvercondo.info 30 Aug 2010 12:17 am“My brother got married for the second time to a woman who is 15 years or so younger that him. She probably looks reasonably good enough in lingerie that he was inspired to buy one of those concrete boxes in vancouver for 1000 dollars a square foot with 500 dollar a month condo fees. They had a baby, now he’s vacating his digs for a lengthy reno, and being the bro, I can assure you this is all being done on credit.”

First The Downpayment, Now This – “A friend of my grandpa’s says that she is paying her kids mortgages right now since they are having a harder time getting a new job.”

Mike at vancouvercondo.info 28 Aug 2010 5:56 pm“I’m visiting family over the Summer break. A friend of my grandpa’s says that she is paying her kids mortgages right now since they are having a harder time getting a new job. After saying this she added, “But it’s a good mortgage. It’s a 40 year mortgage.”

[Intergenerational wealth transfer, or multigenerational wealth destruction? - vreaa]

Andy Yan, Researcher with Architect Firm – “Vancouver is going through a very destructive real estate market. A lot of young Vancouverites are packing up to leave.”

The article ‘There are two million reasons for high prices in Vancouver’, Vancouver Sun, 21 Aug 2010, largely rehashes the very well known ‘overwhelming demand’ argument for ever increasing RE prices in our city. But kudos to the author, Don Cayo, nonetheless, for taking the trouble to look for some words of dissent. The article ends with a mix of anecdote and opinion from Andy Yan, a planner and researcher with Bing Thom Architects -

“Vancouver is going through a very destructive real estate market. High housing costs have a great way of killing innovation and creativity. Can the next Facebook or the next Apple computer really come from Vancouver if you’re too busy trying to pay the rent?” … A lot of young Vancouverites, especially those who have an artistic bent and who thrive on the energy of a vibrant city core, are packing up to leave for Montreal or Toronto simply because it’s cheaper to live there and pursue creative goals. … “That’s serious. You’ve got to think about what’s down the road. They’re not going to be here to support us, to pay for our social infrastructure and all of that.”

[We have long agreed. Speculative bubbles have many destructive social consequences. -vreaa]

“Vancouver is in our blood. That doesn’t mean we’re incapable of seeing the insanity of pricing our real estate way ABOVE places like Hawaii, NY, etc. The hype is reprehensible. We see the HUGE amount of misallocated effort and money wrapped up in this market, and the hurt that’s coming down the road.”

The “if you complain so much about this place, why don’t you leave?” cries have reached another wave of high intensity on local RE blogs. The couple in this eloquent anecdote demonstrate how it is not inconsistent to both love Vancouver and, at the same time, harbour misgivings about the obscenely overvalued RE market & its deleterious effects on our society. -vreaa

Royce McCutcheon at vancouvercondo.info 20 Aug 2010 12:13 pm -
“My wife and I – both in health research – have decided to have a crack at setting up here because we felt it was somewhat worth taking a professional hit in order to 1) have closeness to people we care about and 2) to stay in Canada and, especially, in an area where we grew up. We’re here because we are Lower Mainlanders. I don’t mean that in the sense that we’re straight out of a leaky-shoebox-lovin’ condo ad, stacking fresh-cut flowers in the front basket of our mint Vespa scooter. I mean it in the sense that we are actually OF this place. For better or worse, this place will always be HOME. I learned how to ride a bike when I lived in family housing at UBC, I grew up listening to Robson & Larscheid call Canucks games, I’ve enjoyed everything from Expo 86 to the celebration of the recent hockey gold, and my heroes are people like Terry Fox and Doug Coupland. My wife has similar bona fides. We’ve spent time in dozens of countries between us and we return here because it is in our blood.
But even with us personally loving it here, we reserve the right to mock the “best place on earth” tag. Just because WE are acclimated to the craggy beaches, hefty rainfall, and lack of cultural and industrial infrastructure, doesn’t mean we’re incapable of seeing the insanity of pricing our real estate way ABOVE places like Hawaii, NY, etc. We know that outsiders who don’t have Vancouver in their blood are unlikely to feel like we do, so we think the hype is reprehensible. And even though we personally are not in the real estate market, we can’t simply ignore real estate in the Lower Mainland. Why? Because it’s clear that this incredibly delusional and out-of-whack market has the ability to impact the majority of people in this region (not just those who invested directly in real estate)! THAT is why we express anger and frustration and why we deride this place. The vitriol you’re witnessing towards Vancouver – and Lower Mainland real estate in particular – is a symptom of the Cassandra complex that’s developed in people in this city who can think rationally. We see the HUGE amount of misallocated effort and money wrapped up in this market and we see the hurt that’s coming down the road, yet we’re pretty much powerless to affect the situation. Some of us may personally benefit from a massive correction and are gleeful, sure. (There’s a very decent chance that my wife and I will benefit hugely in the time ahead – and even if a correction takes a long time, we love where we rent.) But if things get bad enough, many might also have to leave (for us, research funding has already started to be cut BEFORE a massive correction has occurred). And we take no pleasure in seeing people we care about – or the city we love – struggling to move forward.
So, regarding why we stay here even after ‘grass is greener’ comments, it comes down to simple personal math: [(Being ‘of’ the Lower Mainland) – (Poorer work circumstances)] > [Better working circumstances somewhere else]. Some days the equation flips. Once that happens enough times, we’re gone. Till then, most negative comments are just blowing off steam in an obviously frustrating situation.”

“If I were young again, starting out in this market, I’d be elsewhere. Vancouver is not affordable.”

Beatbox at vancouvercondo.info 20 Aug 2010 11:34 am -
“I stay in Vancouver because:
a) I am already settled here.
b) I own my own home and have for 23 years (purchased 1987)
c) I don’t mind the weather.
d) I enjoy all the amenities near me (restaurants, beaches, trails, skiing: downhill and cross country, access to the ocean)
e) My family has been raised here and my children all live within 45 minutes except one who lives in Austin, TX)
f) I know everyone in my neighbourhood except the quiet family down the street who no one seems to know.
g) I’ve gone to the same barber for 20 years and everytime I go it’s a great feeling to get a great cut at a great price with a rousing political discourse at the same time.

In other words, I have roots and they don’t cost me anything financially… but I am also an old fart, living mortgage-free, with adult children. I bought at a much more affordable time and have lived through ups and downs. The current price of my home is of no interest to me. It’s costing me $4600/year in taxes and that’s it.
Were I to be young again, starting out in this market, I’d be elsewhere. Vancouver is not affordable. My 26 year old son in Austin owns his home (purchased for $196,000 last year and he makes $70k a year). My other son (24) and daughter (21) rent here. There’s no way I’d let them purchase anything at this time (not that they could). Both are thinking about leaving. They have dual citizenship so moving to the states is no problem.
I have two investment properties here (both purchased over 10 years ago) and 6 rental properties thoughout Texas (DFW and Austin). Yes, my wife is from Texas. Hence the interest and experience there. We also own a vacation home in Ajijic, MX. I wouldn’t even consider for a moment buying property in Vancouver at the current valuations. Now you know a lot about me and where I am coming from.
I am curious to know why those who complain so much don’t do anything about their status.”

The Froogle Scott Chronicles: Mortgaging Our Souls In Paradise – Part 8: Renovation Nervosa Finale

Brace yourself. On first reading Froogle’s latest episode, I found myself on more than one occasion spontaneously exclaiming out loud, or grimacing & ducking, or writhing in vicariously experienced psychic pain.
Boy, these guys went through a lot.

First thought: The vast majority of people that I know, myself included, are completely incapable of doing what Froogle and his wife did here. Their industry is remarkable, to do so much themselves, to be so thoroughly involved in the whole process.
Most mortal Vancouverites: “I notice a photo is hanging skew, I rise from the sofa and straighten it.”
Froogle Scott: “I rent a large rotary hammer drill to drill one-inch diameter holes fourteen inches deep in the concrete foundation walls.”
The result, of course, is that Froogle has ended up with a house where his sweat is quite literally part of the foundations, and that in itself is a unique reward.

Second thought: Froogle’s story is of a very, very diligent, meticulous, and industrious couple riding shotgun on the renovation of their house. One is amazed by the number of serious deficiencies they discovered in doing so. It leads us to consider how many homes in Vancouver have substandard, shoddy, or even dangerous construction because they were built for clients who were not watching as closely. Is such construction the norm rather than the exception?

Third thought:  By their estimation, Froogle and his wife got their renos done at fair prices, in ‘Vancouver terms’. Yet the numbers are still eye-popping. The story makes one consider how the construction industry in this city has become a hyper-efficient machine for extracting money from the banks of homeowners. This process has worked superbly up until now because homeowners always ‘knew’ that the projected future value of their house merited the renovation expenses. And there was also the additional perception of this all being somehow prudent, of it representing an ‘investment’ in one’s house (and by extension, in oneself). What could be more sensible? Use the house’s increasing value as a tool to improve itself! It seems so symmetrical, so right. This all made spending on renos that much easier.
Froogle (e08): “I’m secretly horrified. I can’t believe the size of the cheques we’re writing against our home equity line of credit. I’ve never seen or written cheques this large, with this frequency, in my life.”
Contractor (e07): “That’s what things cost now. The cost of everything is through the roof. Skilled trades are through the roof. But look at what you’re sitting on. You’re sitting on a property that’s probably going to be a million dollars in a few years.”
As a result, Billions of borrowed dollars have been injected into our local economy over the last ten years. It looked fine from the outside while the process continued. Now the money has been spent, but the debt remains.

Regardless of how the whole boom plays out, we’ll all remain indebted to Froogle for sharing his remarkable story.
As I said, brace yourself… – vreaa

Froogle and Froogletta Scott

Part 8: Renovation Nervosa Finale

Recap

Late November 2007. After fifteen months, our renovation has evolved from a start-and-stop, homeowner-managed undertaking into a bigger, more complex, increasingly expensive project run by a general contractor. The initial negotiation with Nick Costa, the general contractor, was a month of back and forth, during which Nick was difficult to pin down on numbers. Our subsequent reference check was more cursory than it should have been. My wife and I have some misgivings about hiring Nick, but we’ve put ourselves in a difficult position. Or, to be more accurate, I’ve put us in a difficult position by underestimating the scope of the work, and by overestimating how much of it we can reasonably achieve or contract ourselves, while still adhering to my ambitious vision for the renovation — all of this during a construction boom that makes finding and hiring contractors and tradespeople unusually difficult. With winter now upon us, we’re without a furnace, without insulation in the gutted bottom half of the house, and without a laundry. We give Nick an initial deposit of $20,000 on a $100,000 contract. We’ve spent an additional $40,000 on work outside the contract with Nick, so it looks like our initial estimate of a $100,000 total price tag is out the window.

We may have had our first encounter with the underground economy, when two young, inexperienced workers remove the masonry flue in the center of the house. We’ve had our first deficiency, when Dylan, Nick’s lead carpenter on our job, somehow forgets to install a strip of sill gasket between the bottom of the new central supporting wall and the new concrete footing. We’ve experienced our first attempted gouging — or at least, what feels like gouging — when Nick presents us with an add-on quote of $11,000 to remove the old basement slab and excavate a foot of brown soil beneath it, a job that has to be completed before any other aspect of the renovation can proceed. Eventually, we’re able to do the job for $3400 when we succeed in hiring Delmore, a concrete demolition contractor who uses a remote-controlled micro excavator to do the work. We’ve had our first casualty, when Leonard, the handyman we’d initially hired to help with the project, quits in anger, feeling we’ve usurped his role by bringing in Nick.

We’re learning about renovation and construction the hard way, and even harder lessons are still to come.

A disagreement, and more research

I call up the company that redid the drain tile the previous year and have them lay some more drain tile either side of the central footing, where water is collecting in the trench, and tie in the new pipe to the existing system around the outside of the house. As part of his contract, Nick brings in a plumbing company to replace the bottom half of the sewer stack, and rough in all the plumbing drains that will run beneath the new basement slab. Once the black ABS drain pipe is in place on top of the brown soil, the concrete crew is free to start work on the new slab. They’ll begin by laying in six inches of drainage gravel, which will allow sub-surface water to rise and fall without becoming trapped in soil immediately beneath the slab — the issue with the old slab. Pink styrofoam insulating board (R-10) will go on top of the gravel, with a poly vapour barrier on top of the insulation. Rebar, wired together into a mesh, and elevated a couple of inches, will sit on top of the vapour barrier. Four inches of concrete will then be poured, encasing the rebar and forming the new basement slab.

(Additional drain tile: $1166)

Excavated basement with section of plumbing drain

Nick and I disagree about the value of the styrofoam insulation beneath the slab. He thinks it won’t do anything, that “the ground is a natural insulator,” and the additional $1500 to install the styrofoam is a waste of money. Marco, the lead on the concrete crew, is adamant that slab insulation does cut the chill that occupants feel under their feet, but leaves the decision up to us.

The discussion goes around in circles for a few days. I find plenty of personal opinion on the Web arguing in favour of the insulation from both a comfort and energy-savings standpoint, but given Nick’s strong opinion to the contrary, I feel I need something a bit more solid before making a recommendation to my wife. I get back to my familiar 5:00 a.m. routine of scouring the Web for information. I’m becoming a little sick of conflicting opinion, and the difficulty of getting a straight answer, and the need to do panicky research under the gun. It takes a few frustrating mornings to find what I’m looking for, but then I do: a CMHC research bulletin that reports on actual tests done with temperature sensors “aligned vertically to measure the thermal gradient from the top of the slab through the insulation and into the soil below.” In a house with no slab insulation, the temperature just below the surface of the slab is only slightly higher than the temperature of the soil, and several degrees cooler than the air temperature in the basement. In a house with two inches of styrofoam insulation beneath the slab, the slab temperature is almost identical to the air temperature, and significantly warmer than the soil temperature. I report my findings to my wife, and tell Marco we’ll be going ahead with the insulation. It’s only a couple of weeks later, during one of my increasingly frequent calls to the building inspector, that I discover the current building code actually requires a minimum of two feet of rigid insulation running either horizontally or vertically at the perimeter of the slab. “To provide a thermal break,” the inspector tells me.

Hellhole

We discuss with Marco the band of soil that Delmore left at the base of the foundation walls as a precaution. Because the walls have no footing — they just end, not even resting on hardpan, but on the brown soil above — Delmore was reluctant to remove the last of the soil sitting against the walls too far in advance of the new slab being installed. Now that the concrete crew is nearly ready to go, the soil has to come out. We’ve kept a roll-off container for this purpose, and on the first weekend of December my wife and I get out the shovels and the wheelbarrow and go to work excavating the last of the soil in “the hellhole,” as we’ve taken to calling the basement.

It just happens that, weather-wise, this weekend is one of the most miserable of the year. We’ve been living without a furnace since April, and over the last month surviving off space heaters. We eventually borrow a good quality, oil-filled radiator from one of my wife’s brothers, which improves the heat situation to the point of being somewhat tolerable, but that’s after the weekend in question.

We work our way slowly around the perimeter of the basement, loading the moist, dense soil into the wheelbarrow. When the wheelbarrow is two-thirds full I run it up a plank at the back door, and around the house to the street, where I run it up another plank and dump it over the edge of the container. As I do this, heavy, wet snow falls from a sky the colour of sludge. The snow glops down on my toque and wool jacket, melting almost immediately and progressively working its way through multiple layers of clothing. Over and over we repeat the routine of loading and dumping the wheelbarrow, the volume of soil in the narrow band at the wall greater than we anticipated. I realize what a disaster it would have been to have attempted excavating the entire basement by hand. As we tread back and forth across the exposed soil in the basement it becomes mucky, water from days of rain forced up by the weight of our boots. We both feel murderous.

Soil dumped in the container

We finish sometime in the pre-dark of late afternoon, and retreat upstairs to hot showers — our one remaining creature comfort. I’m completely sodden, my clothes grimy with mud. After showering, we sit on the couch, both of us wearing thick sweaters and toques and wrapped in blankets, the hockey game turned up over the noise from a space heater, while we drink red wine to try to stay warm.

My jeans, post-hellhole

Dodging one bullet, getting hit by another

A problem arises — a significant one. The building inspector comes for a look and discovers that the foundation walls lack a footing, and don’t even extend down to the hardpan. Even though we’ve got the new central footing, which now provides excellent structural support to the center of the house, the inspector is worried that the house could subside around the perimeter, especially now that we’ve excavated the soil away from the interior of the foundation walls. He speculates that we may have to underpin the foundation walls by installing proper footings beneath them.

Underpinning would be difficult and costly, and time-consuming, because excavating beneath the walls to make space for footings could only be done in short sections at a time, to avoid the danger of collapsing a wall. Even for a small house like ours, underpinning could easily add $30,000 or more, and six weeks, to the reno. It would also risk disturbing the new drain tile around the perimeter of the house. Marco says they could do the underpinning, but shakes his head, his demeanour dark. “It would be a nightmare.” For that much extra expense and effort, it would make more sense to just raise the house and completely replace the old foundation. I point out to the inspector that the house hasn’t budged in 60 years, and that the structural engineer, when I asked him, said the same thing and wasn’t worried about the walls. The inspector isn’t convinced. The structural engineering drawings contain no details related to the walls. He tells us that the structural engineer will have to provide a revision that specifically addresses the walls, and sign off on their adequateness, before he’s willing to let work proceed.

I give TK (Tony Kwan), the structural engineer, a call and explain the situation. A lot rides on TK’s willingness to put his professional seal on what he’d previously stated only informally. I’m careful to hide my trepidation. We’ve come to understand that TK likes to make money, and if he smells fear he’ll no doubt sense an opportunity to extort more from us. So instead of asking, I tell him in a friendly and neutral manner that he needs to provide a revision, while subtly suggesting there was an oversight on the original drawings. And we need the revision right away. I’m relieved that he seems more interested in dismissing the inspector’s objections than in asking any further questions.

“The house been there 60 years. Your house is light, it’s all 2×4.” Then he stops himself, and briefly switches to his slower, more probing manner. “You guys going to add a second storey?”

I already know the answer to this question. “No.”

“Okay.” Switching back to Napoleonic mode. “I can do a letter. But no second storey. That might be too much weight.” No mention of any additional fee.

“Okay,” I reply. No problem at all. The disappointment at losing the option of a second storey — something I had been thinking about as a future possibility — is more than offset by vanquishing the spectre of underpinning.

A few days later I give the inspector a copy of TK’s letter, which states that underpinning is not required if there is no additional loading on the foundation walls. The letter will be kept on file at City Hall. The inspector somewhat begrudgingly approves a continuation of the work. At Marco’s suggestion, we also decide that the ends of the rebar forming the mesh that will reinforce the slab should be doweled into the foundation walls, providing a strong connection between the slab and the walls, and giving the walls some additional support. Doweling involves drilling a hole horizontally into the wall for each length of rebar, and anchoring the end of the rebar in the hole with construction epoxy. There will be a piece of rebar doweled every 18 inches on all four walls, so the dowelling represents a considerable additional expense, mostly because of the labour.

TK isn’t done with us, however. The following week Marco and his crew lay in and compact the drainage gravel, install the layer of styrofoam insulation, lay down the vapour barrier, and begin dowelling the rebar and wiring it together into a mesh. I phone TK to arrange an inspection. Both TK and the building inspector have to sign off on all the preparatory work before the concrete can be poured. TK asks what stage the work is at. I tell him the crew is well into dowelling and wiring the rebar. He asks me how thick the rebar is.

“10M,” I reply. 10M is about half an inch in diameter.

“What! 10M? Nobody uses 10M.”

“What do you mean?” Slab rebar isn’t even specified on TK’s drawings, and my understanding has always been that it’s optional. A good idea, but optional.

“It has to be minimum 15M. I won’t approve 10M.” 15M is about five-eighths of an inch in diameter.

A hurried round of phone calls ensues. From work, I phone Marco at the house and give him the news.

“What! That’s crazy. We’re three-quarters done. He’s crazy! This slab is already so overbuilt it’s ridiculous.”

Marco phones TK, and then phones me back at work. “Well, I talked to him and he’s not budging, at least until he comes for a look. It’s ridiculous.” By ‘a look’, I’m assuming TK means a site visit, each of which costs $250. And he’s unwilling to come the same day, claiming to be booked solid, even though he’s at his office, and his office is a five-minute drive from the house. “We’re going to have to pull out,” Marco says. “And it’s too late in the day to go to another site, so unfortunately I’m going to have to charge you for the lost time.” There’s not much I can say. The lost time ends up as an extra $400 on Marco’s next invoice. That evening, when I relay the latest developments, my wife is furious. From growing up in the local Chinese community, there’s something she recognizes in TK, and it’s not something she likes.

The next day the crisis resolves itself with some soothing talk from Marco, and some extra lubrication from our spiraling line of credit. TK agrees to a doubling up of the 10M rebar — a length of rebar doweled into the walls every 9 inches instead of every 18. This of course doubles the cost of the rebar work, but it’s cheaper than ripping everything out and starting again with 15M bar. Marco considers the whole thing lunacy. And TK gets to bill for an additional site visit.

(Slab preparation work: $6400)

(Additional rebar work: $2700)

Completed slab preparation work

Slicing concrete

One final job must be completed before the pouring of the slab can go ahead. I bring in a concrete cutting and coring company to cut an access door in the side wall of the concrete stairs on the front of the house, and to make a few other minor cuts in the foundation at other locations. Nick has recommended that we modify the layout of the rental suite by locating the new furnace and the hot water tank in the space under the stairs, rather than use precious square footage in the suite for a mechanical room. We like the suggestion and agree to it. Currently there is no wall between the space under the stairs and the interior of the basement because the original sheathing and studs, exposed to the humid soil under the stairs in the inadequately ventilated space, rotted away. Once a new concrete floor is poured under the stairs, and the wall is rebuilt, we’ll need the exterior access door to get at the mechanicals.

A worker shows up with a specialized concrete saw that has a circular blade about three feet across. He attaches the saw to the side wall of the stairs. The saw uses a wet cutting system, which sprays water over the blade as it cuts. The blade goes through the concrete like butter, and leaves a horrendous, gooey grey mess in its wake.

(Concrete cutting: $835)

Promise and possibility

The concrete crew pours the new slab on January 2, 2008 — the first working day of the new year. In the half dark of early morning the bulk of a concrete truck and a pump truck fill the back lane behind the house. The workers run a hose from the hopper at the rear of the pump truck into the basement. Once everyone is in place, the driver starts pumping the concrete. The crew moves quickly, one worker holding the end of the hose as the grey mix shoots out, Marco and the others spreading the mix with wide concrete rakes and trowels.

Pouring the slab

A few days later, my wife and I stand on the new slab. We feel we’ve reached a major milestone. The hellhole is no more. We stand in one corner of the basement, a smooth and beautiful expanse of new concrete stretching out before us, almost like the new year itself, full of promise and possibility. It’s been a grinding, stressful, sometimes brutal sixteen months to get to this point, but now we’re here and I feel that the worst is behind us. We’ve got a new, solid, clean, dry foundation upon which to build.

In a normal world, with normal people, that could very well have been the case. But Vancouver in early 2008 is not a normal world. It’s one in which people like TK and Nick Costa can operate and thrive. We just don’t know that yet.

(Slab pour: $7450)

The new slab

Shit

What follows is six months of shit. As a one-word summary of the Nick Costa experience, a little crude perhaps, but the most fitting.

There’s so much to choose from, I’m going to be selective and present just the most egregious incidents.

Dylan’s split personality

The flush beam and the joists. The amount of woe surrounding this portion of the construction is almost laughable — if it weren’t the key structural support for the center of the house.

As part of the new central supporting wall, Dylan and an assistant have installed a flush beam to create a seven-foot-wide opening that will eventually serve as the entranceway into the living room and kitchen. The ends of the floor joists at the center of the house rest on top of the new supporting wall, except in the area of the flush beam, where they are attached to the side of the beam with joist hangers.

At several points in this episode I’m going to be referring to this beam, the joists connected to the beam, and the joist hangers, so to help with visualizing this construction detail, I’ve included the picture below which illustrates using a joist hanger to attach a joist to the side of a beam.

Joist hanger used to attach a joist to the side of a beam

On one side of the beam, a headroom problem reemerges. Nick wants to run a single main trunk for the new heating duct system down the center of the suite, rather than split the main trunk into two parallel trunks running along the ceiling at the outer walls. Regardless of where the main trunk or trunks are located, it will involve running bulky, rectangular duct immediately below the joists. The duct will then be boxed in with drywall, creating what is called ‘a drop’. Drops are the often unsightly boxy structures typical of low headroom basement suites. They cover the various structural and mechanical components like beams, heating ducts, and pipes that run overhead. In full height basements, all this infrastructure can be gracefully hidden above a dropped ceiling, but we don’t have enough headroom to do that. Done badly, drops look terrible, and scream basement suite. Nick’s rationale is that walking under a drop incorporating both the beam and the main heating trunk at the central location will be far less noticeable than walking into an open concept living room and kitchen and having your eye drawn to a boxy drop running the length of the outer wall. My wife and I agree.

Unfortunately, the minimum vertical dimension for the main heating trunk, as specified by the heating company, is five inches. Add another inch for the drywall below the trunk line, and a slight gap between the two, and we now have a structure that extends an inch and a half below the city’s specified minimum headroom of 6’6” over 80% of the suite area and all exit routes. Nick’s solution is to cut a long, shallow notch out of the underside of each joist on one side of the beam so that in this area the trunk line can be moved up enough to meet the city’s headroom requirements. Cutting notches out of joists is dicey, given that they’re the structural members supporting the floor above — especially joists that are only 2×8 to begin with, rather than the 2×10 or 2×12 used in modern residential construction. Nick consults TK, who says that if we double up the joists by adding a new joist to each of the existing joists in the affected area, he will authorize a notch two feet long by one-and-a-half inches deep, and no more, in each joist pair. Everyone agrees on this plan of action.

Dylan does the work. When I get home and go downstairs to inspect, I’m dumbfounded. Dylan has doubled up the joists correctly, pre-cutting the required notches in the new joists, but in the existing joists he’s made a one-and-a-half inch vertical cut, then attempted to split out the notches horizontally. The result is atrocious. The splits are not a straight horizontal line, but instead veer all over the place, resulting in much more than one-and-a-half inches of material being removed from each joist, seriously undermining their structural integrity. And he didn’t do it with just one joist, realize that method was a failure, and then revert to the more time-consuming but proper method of making the horizontal cuts with a circular saw, finishing with a handsaw or a reciprocating saw those areas that couldn’t be reached with a circular blade. No, he mangled each existing joist in the same utterly moronic manner. There’s no way TK or the city inspector is going to approve this. There’s no way I’m going to approve it.

Here’s a picture of the beam and the attached joists. You can see just how much additional material the splitting removed by comparing the split joists to the pre-cut joists installed beside them, and by looking at the thickness of the little blocks of wood Dylan had to insert in the bottom of the joist hangers to allow the split joists to rest on something.

Split joists paired with pre-cut joists

I’m displeased. I phone Nick. He comes over. He admits that Dylan’s work is “a bit rough,” but doesn’t seem overly concerned. I tell him that we’re going to need to get TK back to assess the situation. If I had the experience then that I have now, I would have thrown Nick and Dylan out on their asses that very day. TK comes for a look later in the week and pronounces. The joists in question will now have to be tripled up with the addition of a third, properly notched joist added to each existing joist pair.

Drip, drip, drip

At Nick’s suggestion, we’ve decided to locate the new furnace and the hot water tank in the space under the concrete front stairs. In these little East Vancouver houses, reclaiming some additional square footage is always welcome. We’ve had Marco and his crew install a vapour barrier and a new concrete floor in what will become the mechanical room.

As the concrete floor cures I notice drops of water suspended from the sloping underside of the stairs, and dark patches on the new concrete floor. I assume that the water vapour given off by the concrete during the curing process is rising up and condensing on the cold concrete surface above. Eventually everything dries out and the space looks good. Because we’re adding the space under the stairs to the usable square footage of the house, the inspector requires that we insulate it, either with standard frame walls and fiberglass batt insulation, or spray-on foam insulation.

I’m down in the basement a few days later and have another one of those nasty renovation surprises. Drops of water are again suspended from the underside of the stairs, and new dark patches have appeared on the floor, beneath the drops. I watch as a couple of drops fall and are absorbed into the dark patches. It’s been raining for the last couple of days. I surmise that the drops aren’t condensation from the curing concrete, but rather rainwater making its way through the old concrete of the stairs.

More frantic research. Guess what? Concrete is porous. Between the grains of sand and cement that form the basis of concrete are thousands of tiny capillaries that water just loves to flow along. In fact, a phenomenon called ‘capillary attraction’ means that concrete acts like a giant sponge. In our case, the sponge is probably becoming saturated after a couple of days of rain hitting the top side of the stairs, and is shedding the excess water into the space below.

The amount of water isn’t huge, so I’m still holding out a shred of hope that it might only be condensation. The sun returns, and the space dries up. I get out the garden hose, position it outside the front door, and point it over the lip of the top step. I turn on the water and watch as it cascades down the stairs to the front walkway. Satisfied that this amount of water approximates a Vancouver monsoon, I go back inside the basement and look into the space under the stairs. Bloody Niagara Falls. So many drops of water that they’re forming into sheets and spilling down on the floor. I go back outside, turn off the water, and do a fair bit of swearing.

The space beneath the stairs

Solution time again. There’s no way we can install a new, $10,000, high-efficiency gas furnace and the hot water tank in this space until we’ve made it waterproof. It occurs to me that Nick, as a general contractor selling construction expertise, should have foreseen this possibility. Why had it been left up to the homeowner to discover the problem?

Despite the setback, we decide to persevere with the plan to locate the mechanical room under the stairs. Reincorporating the mechanical room in the suite layout would mean sacrificing the one decent storage room we’ll have, or changing from a two bedroom to a one bedroom unit, which would significantly impact the amount of rent we’ll be able to charge.

Nick’s solution is to paint the stairs with waterproof paint. Won’t the paint progressively wear off in the traffic areas? I ask. Sure, Nick replies, but you can just repaint when that starts to happen. I tell him that I’m going to explore other solutions. The problem with the stairs completely messes up the heating company’s schedule. They had been on the verge of installing the new furnace and duct system. The custom ductwork is sitting in their warehouse, ready to go. Now they’re on hold until we find an acceptable solution. My wife and I, looking forward to the resumption of heat, continue to freeze and huddle around space heaters.

One option is to get Delmore back, demolish the concrete stairs, and rebuild them with frame construction and plywood sheathing, including a waterproof, torch-on membrane immediately below the treads and risers of the stairs. We’d probably be able to save the new concrete floor, but the new drain tile, which runs around the perimeter of the stairs, would likely get disrupted as part of pouring new footings for the wood frame walls. It all sounds expensive and time consuming.

What we try first is a cementitious waterproofing compound that when applied grows microcrystals within the tiny capillaries of the concrete, progressively blocking them — or so the marketing literature states. The more water seeping through the untreated concrete, the better, because the crystals are water activated. A contractor shows up and applies the compound to the underside of the stairs — roof and walls. After a few days, the amount of water working its way through the stairs is significantly reduced, but not halted completely. I phone the contractor and tell him we still have a small, wet area on the underside of the stairs. He returns, applies more of the compound, which improves the situation further, but still a small amount of water is seeping through. And anything less than an absolute seal is no good. When I mention to TK the approach we’re taking he dismisses it. “That stuff’s no good for old concrete. It only works on new concrete.” I ask his advice and he suggests torch-on, or some other kind of waterproof membrane, beneath a protective cladding like tiles.

(Concrete waterproofing compound: $1000)

The stairs have now become a project within a project. With the addition of the concrete floor, the cutting of the access door, and the application of the waterproofing compound, we’ve dumped in enough money to this one piece of infrastructure that changing course and demolishing the stairs would be painful. We decide to persevere and my wife takes on the responsibility of finding a decent tiling company.

Short people

Dylan is tall, definitely over six feet, but he comes perilously close to joining Randy Newman’s ranks of short people (“Short people got no reason / To live. / They got little hands / Little eyes…”).

The joists in one corner of the basement need to be doubled up. This corner is where the stairs between the two levels of the house used to be located before they were removed, probably by the Portuguese brothers when they converted the bottom half of the house to a rental suite. When they closed up the opening between the two floors, they used joists that weren’t quite long enough to span the distance from the top of the outer wall to the top of the old central beam. The joists were probably scavenged from somewhere, and they got them cheap, or for free. Unfortunately, they were about six inches too short for their required purpose. To make them work, they had to run a horizontal 2×4 ledger under the joists at either end. One ledger was nailed to the side of the old central beam, and the other was nailed to the side of the double top plate — the stacked 2x4s — on the outer wall. The joist ends rested on top of these two ledger boards — an adequate solution from a structural standpoint, but an unsightly one because at the ceiling line the 2×4 ledgers stuck out from the wall and the beam. When Dylan replaced the central beam with the new central supporting wall he reattached the ledger as a temporary measure until the short joists could be paired with new, longer joists that would run from the top of the outer wall to the top of the central wall. Removing and reattaching the ledger at the central location had not been a problem because the temporary supporting walls were in place at the time, taking the weight of the joists overhead and the floor above.

The ledger at the outside wall is a different matter. Directly above it, in a storage room on the main level of the house, are two large, old-style, green metal file cabinets fully loaded with papers. A combined weight of probably a thousand pounds.

While discussing this portion of the framing with Nick I tell him about the file cabinets and offer to unload them and move them to another location upstairs. He tells me not to worry about it. They’ll install some temporary supports below the joists when the time comes to do this portion of the job. When that day draws close I remind Nick about the file cabinets and he again says not to worry. The day before Dylan is going to do the work, I tell him directly about the file cabinets and how heavy they are.

When I get home at the end of the day, the new joists are in place, paired with the short joists. But on the phone with Nick later that evening he reveals there had been a little mishap. (Why he tells me, I have no idea.) Somehow Dylan and Nick, who was there at the time, forgot about the file cabinets, or worse, are beginning to reveal intellectual challenges around subjects such as gravity, and physical properties like weight, and the load-bearing capacity of unsupported horizontal framing members. According to Nick, the instant that Dylan, standing directly beneath perhaps half a ton of loaded file cabinets, pried the ledger board from the outer wall all the joist ends in the area, with a horrendous noise, collapsed straight down about six inches, which would have put them close to the top of Dylan’s head. Nick grabbed a 2×4 stud and rushed over, and between the two of them they were just able to wedge the stud beneath one of the joists, and then quickly do the same with the other joists, preventing what might have been a total collapse, two smashed file cabinets sitting in the basement, a cracked basement slab, and a destroyed storage room floor. As it is, the storage room floor still isn’t quite right, feeling spongy and creaky underfoot, probably from the plywood subfloor being deflected and perhaps partially splintered when it was bent down by the weight of the file cabinets.

No doubt many of you have heard of the Darwin Awards. From the Darwin Awards web site: “In honor of Charles Darwin, the Darwin Awards commemorate those who improve our gene pool by (accidentally) removing themselves from it. The Award is generally bestowed posthumously.”

I’d say Dylan, aided and abetted by Nick, narrowly avoided becoming a recipient.

Once again, why?

In the previous episode, in reference to our eventual decision to hire Nick, I asked the question Why? I ask the question again, now in reference to continuing the relationship, as some of you are probably wondering why we allowed this circus to go on as long as we did. (Although, as a reminder, I have focused on the most egregious incidents, which has the effect of amplifying the horror.)

The short answer to Why? is that we don’t allow it to go on for very long. Although we hired Nick at the end of October, with the exception of the central supporting wall, his company doesn’t begin to do much work until early January 2008. On the last day of February, just eight weeks later, I phone Nick and tell him we don’t want to continue with the contract. Which is a polite way of saying, “You’re fired.” To which Nick casually responds, “Okay.”

The slightly longer answer is that we are quickly unhappy with Nick once work starts in earnest, and confront him on several occasions about the sources of our unhappiness. Workers absent for days with no prior warning, and lame subsequent excuses from Nick. Multiple blown appointments when Nick is “coming over in an hour,” then fails to show. Multiple breaches of the building code, including a single top plate rather than the required double top plate on the central supporting wall, and the attempt, which I quickly stop, to put vapour barrier directly against the concrete foundation wall, creating the perfect conditions for mould, rather than on the warm side of the new framing. Overall poor quality of framing. Nick’s demand for an early second draw — another $20,000 well in advance of the contractually-agreed-upon milestone, which is completion of the framing and the plumbing and electrical rough-ins.

Because of the overall slow pace, and the worker absences, we aren’t even close to reaching the milestone. I tell Nick flatly, “We aren’t giving you any more money. You need to reach the milestone, and the work has to be passed by the structural engineer and the various city inspectors before we’ll release any more money.” The real reason for the worker absences, I find out from Dylan and the other carpenter, is greed. Nick has eight different jobs of various sizes on the go, and five workers. This from a guy who solemnly stated he would never max himself out. Workers are continually being yanked off one job and sent to another — probably to whichever client is currently complaining the loudest — and as a result spend half their day driving around town.

There’s more, but that’s probably enough. However — in this slightly longer answer to Why? — through it all, Nick never stops being responsive. He’s a master at appearing at the precise moment my wife and I agree we’ve finally had it. Of somehow diminishing our grievances to minor hiccups, of displaying just enough construction expertise to make us think twice about giving him the bum’s rush. He has the con man’s silver tongue. But that’s not quite right. I google “con man’s silver tongue” to check my use of “silver tongue” in the context of con men, and discover The Ten Commandments of Con Artists, a list of con artist best practices attributed to a renowned, early-twentieth-century con man, Victor Lustig. Commandment #1 leaps out at me: “Be a good listener — the myth of the fast talking, silver tongued con man should be ignored.” In the previous episode, weeks before reading Lustig’s commandments, here are the first two sentences I wrote describing Nick: The following week I meet Nick Costa, the general contractor, for the first time. My initial impression is that he’s a good listener.

A shoelace snaps

A specific incident leads to firing Nick. It’s a relatively minor incident, but indicative of the core problem — and also the last straw.

As another way of conserving as much space as possible in the suite, we’ve decided that instead of swing doors, we’ll use pocket doors throughout. Pocket doors slide back and forth on an overhead track that runs above the doorway and inside the adjacent wall, thus requiring no additional space to open the door, unlike the common swing door which requires swing space into a room.

As part of framing the new suite, Dylan and another carpenter install a number of pocket door frames — prefabricated units that include a door frame and an adjoining section of wall frame that houses the pocket door when it’s open. In the master bedroom they do a sloppy job of aligning the unit with the 2×4 stud wall. Instead of the door frame and integrated wall section being directly in line with the stud wall, they veer out at a noticeable angle. A deficiency, which if left uncorrected will cause problems when it comes time to install drywall, and will cause the door to slide back and forth at a funny angle to the bedroom wall.

I have other deficiencies to discuss with Nick as well, and I phone him and ask him to meet me at the house. Together, we examine the misaligned pocket door frame and he agrees it’s misaligned and needs to be made straight. Luckily, the wall section of the unit hasn’t yet been glued to the slab, so correcting the problem should be easy. Nick assures me he’ll have Dylan and the other carpenter properly align the door frame.

When I inspect the results the next day I’m stunned. The unit is still misaligned, but now glued to the floor. Charles Bukowski: “…it’s not the large things that / send a man to the / madhouse…./ but a shoelace that snaps…” I’m in a cold fury. At the same time, in another, still rational part of my brain, I assemble these possible explanations for this latest piece of idiocy:  a) Nick forgot to tell Dylan and the other carpenter to properly align the door frame,  b) Nick lied to me and had no intention of telling them because he didn’t consider the misaligned frame a significant problem,  c) Nick did tell them, and they forgot, or  d) Nick told them and they ignored him, because they don’t respect him. The actual explanation for the misaligned door frame, and for the two dozen other things that have gone wrong, ultimately doesn’t matter. Only the results matter. And the results are shit.

This is the moment at which I fully accept what’s been a growing realization. The problem isn’t Nick’s overextended, second-rate workers. The problem is Nick’s third-rate management of his second-rate workers. The following morning I make the call and discontinue our relationship — or so I thought.

Hiatus

March and April 2008. We’ve gotten rid of Nick, but we still have no furnace, no laundry, and an uninsulated, gutted basement generating no revenue. We must keep moving forward, but we aren’t sure whether to revert to our initial approach of managing the renovation ourselves, or to go looking for a new general contractor. In the immediate aftermath of the Nick experience we don’t have much appetite to begin a search for a new general contractor, so although we know we’ll probably have to go that route eventually, for a while we try to move the renovation forward ourselves.

Our first attempt at making some progress is to contact the electrician and the plumbing company who performed the initial rough-in work in the basement. This work seems fine, and the electrical inspector has told us the electrician is reliable and does good work. My wife leaves a voicemail for the electrician explaining that we’ve parted company with Nick, but we’d like to keep him working on the job. The electrician doesn’t return the call. Months later, the electrical inspector tells us the electrician was conflicted about what to do, and felt bad, but ultimately came down on the side of Nick, because that was where future work was likely to be.

The owner of the plumbing company does return my wife’s call, and tells her he’s willing to complete our job, as long as it can be done on the quiet. He doesn’t want Nick finding out, which could jeopardize his business relationship. He says he’ll get back to us with some dates, but we never hear from him, and decide not to pursue it. It’s becoming obvious that we need to make a clean break from anyone associated with Nick.

We contact our builder friend, who’s working on the high-end renovation in West Vancouver, and ask his advice. He comes to the house to assess the situation. He considers the framing done by Dylan and the other carpenter “rookie stuff,” and the splitting out of the joist notches a farce. He and his crews have always prided themselves on the quality of their framing, but he admits they sometimes wonder why they go to the extra effort when so many builders get away with slapping together the frame of a house, and then quickly hiding all the deficiencies behind drywall. Our friend offers to give us the contact information for the framer and the drywaller on his current job, both of whom he considers excellent. As he’s leaving he looks up at the beam spanning the opening in the central supporting wall and notices something. He grabs a nearby stepladder and climbs up so he can eyeball down the length of the beam. “This beam’s sagging,” he tells us. I climb up and clearly see the slight sag. The beam has been in place only four months, so with time it could very well sag a lot more. Our friend asks if this is the size of beam specified by the structural engineer. I tell him that originally it wasn’t, a taller, narrower beam was specified, but Nick wanted space above the beam to run plumbing and electrical back and forth, so he negotiated a different shape with TK — less tall, but wider to compensate.

“Beams don’t work like that,” our friend tells us. “They get a disproportionate amount of their strength from their height, not their width. Did the structural engineer revise his drawings and sign off on it?”

“No,” I tell him. “My understanding is it was all done over the phone.” And TK’s English is hard to understand over the phone, and it’s quite possible that Nick didn’t communicate his intentions very well.

“Then this beam isn’t to spec. It’s going to have to be replaced with a proper sized beam.”

It’s starting

During this period, there are some other developments. At the end of March, I resign from the company where I’ve been working for the past three years to take a similar job with a different company. A co-worker at the first company made an identical move a year previous, and encourages me to join him at the new place. I’m initially reluctant, feeling some loyalty to the first company, but I’m worried about the company’s long-term viability. I’ve come to feel the company is badly mismanaged, and future bankruptcy is possible. The company has already been shrinking to survive, laying off a quarter of the staff the previous October — a stressful, unnerving event for a small, tightly knit company with a number of longstanding employees. I feel my position is relatively safe, however if the company does go belly up in a year’s time, I don’t want to be job hunting in the middle of a recession. I’ve been following the US economic news to some extent, not closely, but paying enough attention to know that things are not good south of the border. In fact, the US, in the first quarter of 2008, officially slips into recession. As I recall, there’s soothing talk around this time from some Canadian economists and politicians who would have us believe that a mysterious economic delinkage has occurred between Canada and the United States. The US economy might crash and burn, but somehow Canada will avoid being dragged down this time, perhaps by selling resources to the Chinese. This line of reasoning sounds like bunk to me. I discuss with my wife the various factors at play and she encourages me to make the strategic move from a shaky, small company, to a medium-sized company with sounder finances. I feel pretty good about my decision to change employers as the global financial crisis accelerates throughout 2008, and it becomes apparent that ‘global’ does include Canada, and that a five-alarm fire at your next door neighbour’s house can make your own living room a little warm.

It isn’t only mainstream media news stories about the US and Canadian economy that underpin my sentiments. For at least a year and a half, and perhaps longer, I’ve been soaking up opinions, claims, explanations, statistics, and dark predictions from the Vancouver real estate blogosphere. I don’t remember the exact circumstances, but I probably stumbled on my first Vancouver real estate blog some time in 2006, and it was probably the blog run by VHB, the Vancouver Housing Blogger. What I do know is that VHB and other local bloggers helped me think more critically and analytically about Vancouver real estate and about money. From the time we’d bought the house in September of 2003, I’d been telling myself, in a somewhat vague, uncritical way, that Vancouver house prices couldn’t keep going up forever, and yet every year, in startling fashion, they had continued to go up. Now I’d found an online community that was providing very specific and reasoned arguments why Vancouver real estate couldn’t keep going up forever, and in fact, was very likely to come crashing down. When I wasn’t frantically searching for construction information, my early mornings were no longer spent comparing houses and prices on RealtyLink to our own house. I was now a habitué of the ‘bear blogs’, or the ‘bubble blogs’ — “doom blogs,” as my wife called them. And in April of 2008, while we’re trying to keep our renovation moving ahead, come the first inklings that the doom bloggers’ predictions are starting to come true. There’s a sense that the bloggers smell blood. Through March, April, and May, Vancouver house prices stop rising, but perhaps more importantly, during what should be the prime selling season, year-over-year sales numbers plummet, and the inventory of unsold houses quickly swells, a reliable precursor to falling prices. The April 12th post on the blog Housing Analysis is ominously titled “It’s Starting.” The April 29th post is titled “Vancouver’s Next — Watch Out!” At the very moment that we’re drawing down significant amounts from a line of credit based on the unrealized equity in our house, there’s a good chance house prices could tank and that equity shrivel.

Seismic upgrading

Perhaps appropriately, the one portion of the renovation I do manage to move forward during March and April is the seismic upgrading — making the house more resistant to the forces of an actual earthquake, while pondering the possible results of a financial one. With the wood frame and the concrete foundation of the house fully exposed on the lower level, I take advantage of the opportunity to bolt the frame to the foundation, and install steel structural connectors in other locations, without having to rip off drywall and tear out insulation to do it. I also triple the studs at the corners of the house, in preparation for creating sections of shear wall — half-inch structural plywood nailed to the studs, and the top and bottom plates, of the cripple walls. In certain house designs, cripple walls are the short, exterior walls of the house that run from the top of the concrete foundation walls to the underside of the joists supporting the main floor. In Vancouver, where the mild climate doesn’t necessitate deep basements to protect against frost heave, the typical house of a certain age is basically a box from the main floor up, which sits on stilts or dominos — the short studs of the cripple walls — which themselves sit on shallow foundation walls. This design works well enough when bearing the vertical load of a house subject to gravity, but it’s inherently weak when it encounters the side-to-side shaking or shearing forces of an earthquake. Cripple wall failure is the most common residential structural failure in an earthquake. The ‘box’ portion of the house moves laterally as a single unit, collapsing the stilt-like studs of the cripple wall beneath it, and slumping to the ground. Not a pleasant thing to have happen to your house, and especially not a pleasant thing if there are tenants living in the space beneath the ‘box’ portion of the house — which will be the case with our suite, and is the case with the vast majority of basement suites in Vancouver. Attaching plywood to the cripple walls strengthens them enormously, allowing them to resist shearing forces much more effectively.

Seismic upgrading was another aspect of the renovation that Nick and I disagreed about. He maintained that unless you could establish a continuous load path — reinforcing every key connection point between framing members from the foundation to the roof — there was no point doing anything, because the earthquake forces would act upon the weakest link. He did agree with bolting the frame to the foundation. It’s true that establishing a continuous load path is the ideal situation, but Residential Guide to Earthquake Resistance, and various other sources I find on the Web, explicitly state that if homeowners do nothing else, bolting the frame to the foundation, and reinforcing cripple walls, can save a house, and its occupants.

Drilling hole for anchor bolt

The return of Nick

How does this happen? I don’t know… but it does.

Although we’ve broken off the contract, we have to settle on a final amount of money that Nick claims is owed in excess of the original $20,000 deposit. There are also some loose ends that need to be wrapped up. There are tools and supplies to pick up, and a portable toilet that has to be removed from the site. Not surprisingly, Nick doesn’t attend to these things particularly promptly. I phone him on several occasions to prod him into action. During one of these calls, I mention that the beam in the central supporting wall has sagged and will need to be replaced.

At some point, Nick phones us and asks for a meeting. He tells us that he wants to make things right, to deal with all the deficiencies, including the beam, at no cost to us. This last part is a bit of a laugher, given that we’ve already paid to have the work done properly. In fact, Nick’s own contract states that all work will be done in accordance with good quality standards, and in compliance with the applicable building code and related inspections, and “other authorities” (i.e., TK). You can’t charge clients to fix your own mistakes.

We agree to the meeting, but nothing more. Nick pitches his new line: he’s going to put his top guys on our job (thereby implying that we didn’t have his top guys before — in fact, as we’ll later find out, he’s fired Dylan). He’ll pay for a new beam and its installation, the tripling of the joists that TK has specified to account for the split joists, and the materials and labour required to fix a number of other more minor deficiencies. After the work is complete, we can decide if we want to continue with the contract or settle up and call an end. We tell Nick we’ll give him an answer in the morning.

After Nick leaves, my wife and I discuss his offer. We agree that it’s unlikely the leopard can so thoroughly change his spots, but there doesn’t appear to be much downside. I phone Nick the next day and tell him he can come back under the terms discussed once we get a revised beam specification from TK. I also tell him that every aspect of the operation — his “top guys,” the results of their work, and Nick’s management of the work — will be under a microscope.

Given his performance to date, Nick’s sudden eagerness to make things right is a bit puzzling. Perhaps he’s worried about his professional reputation. In hindsight, I wonder if the rapidly deteriorating economy in the spring of 2008, and in particular the rapidly deteriorating circumstances for real estate and construction, was causing his business to dry up, and that he saw our job as salvageable.

Shit 2

I ask TK for a revision of the structural engineering drawings, one with a new beam specification and detailed seismic upgrading information. We can’t simply revert to the original beam specification, I discover, because changes we made to the suite layout along the way mean the opening in the central supporting wall is two feet wider than indicated on the original drawings — something Nick either failed to take into account, or failed to communicate effectively to TK, and another likely reason that the installed beam sagged. We want to keep the wider opening, so we need a revised beam specification.

TK is very slow in getting to the revision. A couple of weeks go by, and we’re still waiting for what is probably 15 minutes of work for TK, and an hour for one of his assistants to modify and reprint the drawings. I begin hounding TK daily, and I suspect that at times he’s screening out my calls. I start phoning from different locations around my work place, and whenever I phone from a new number, he answers. My wife eventually loses all patience, and in a rage flies down to TK’s office, blowing in like a tornado and terrorizing TK’s dopey staff. Tellingly, they’re able to produce the revised drawings in about ten minutes. A cowed TK slinks into his office during this showdown. No questions, during this second meeting with my wife, about why we haven’t started a family.

(Revised drawings: $900)

I phone Nick with the details of the new beam, and around the end of May, his top guys start the work. Within a couple of days, the new beam is in place and the joists are tripled and attached to the side of the beam with joist hangers. The results seem better. However, when TK comes to inspect, he immediately sees something he doesn’t like. On the third joist added to each joist pair, the two cuts forming the notch extend slightly past each other where they meet — the result of cutting the notches entirely with a circular saw, rather than cutting them mostly with a circular saw and then finishing the cuts with the straight blade of a handsaw or reciprocating saw. The slight overcutting doesn’t seem that critical to me, but TK announces that before he’s willing to sign off on the work, four-foot-long plywood gussets — plywood cut to the shape of the notched end of the joists — must be attached to either side of each triple joist as an additional strengthening measure. He’ll need to do another drawing. I don’t know whether this latest pronouncement is a scam to further inflate his fees, or a legitimate requirement from a structural standpoint. Either way, we don’t have much choice but to comply if we want him to sign off.

After TK leaves, I discover something of my own that I don’t like. The joist hangers are triple-width, 2×8 joist hangers cut down in size to approximate a triple 2×6 hanger, necessary to fit the notched end of the joists. In preparation for doing more seismic upgrading work, I’ve been reading the literature from the structural connector company, and they repeatedly warn against making any manual alteration of their connectors. Each type of connector is specifically engineered for its particular purpose, with nail holes positioned in precise spots. Chopping bits off connectors, especially bits that contain nail holes, as is the case with the altered 2×8 hangers, can significantly reduce their load-bearing capacity, and is definitely bad practice.

I tell Nick about TK’s latest pronouncement. He thinks the gussets are complete overkill, but agrees there isn’t much choice but to comply with TK’s wishes. I also bring up the issue of the cut-down joist hangers and he agrees to swap them for properly sized triple 2×6 hangers.

TK produces the required drawing much more quickly this time — perhaps wanting to avoid any further encounters with my wife — and includes it in the price for the just-completed site inspection, which is covered under Nick’s contract. I phone Nick and tell him that I have the drawing and will leave a copy on the work table in the suite, which I do as soon as I get off the phone. I also remind Nick about swapping in the correctly sized joist hangers. “Don’t worry, I’ll take care of it,” he responds.

The following morning I discover another potential problem. Nick’s guys have used 1-1/2 inch long hanger nails in the ‘shear nailing’ locations on the joist hangers. 1-1/2 inch hanger nails — nails that are thicker and stronger for their given length than regular nails — are the correct fasteners to use for the nails that go straight into the beam (step 4 in the joist hanger diagram above). However, I’m almost certain that I’ve read longer nails are required for the shear nailing locations, where nails are driven in diagonally at a 45 degree angle, thus requiring greater length to properly penetrate the beam (steps 5 and 6 in the diagram). When trimming the joist ends to make room for the flush beam, Dylan had done a sloppy job, overcutting some of the joist ends by as much as an inch. There is very little wood inside the hangers on these joists. The combination of the short nail and the lack of wood allows me to reach up to a shear nailing location on one of the joists, and with almost no effort pull a hanger nail free. The nail isn’t biting into anything. It’s just there for show. At work later that day, I go to the manufacturer’s web site and confirm what I thought I’d previously read. In numerous locations in their literature they expressly state that hanger nails must not be used for shear nailing. Shear nails must be at least 3-1/2 inches long.

Sloppy trimming of joist ends

Volcano

I get home and go downstairs to check the progress. I have another one of those moments when I’m stunned by what I see. The plywood gussets have all been cut incorrectly. Instead of the sideways L-shape required to match the notched end of the joists, they’re straight strips. Several of them have been installed, with nails spaced every two inches as TK required — a crapload of nails over a four foot length — but doing absolutely zero from a structural standpoint, because they run above the notch instead of wrapping around it. The uninstalled gussets — now useless pieces of wood — are stacked on the work table, about six inches away from TK’s drawing.

The remainder of the joist hangers have also been installed — not the properly sized triple 2×6 hangers that Nick promised he’d take care of, but more triple 2×8 hangers with bits cut off.

I tear out of the basement and pound up the deck stairs to the phone above. For a fleeting moment, cresting the top step and crossing the deck, I have a strange, floating sensation, definitely out of control, but more, an almost out-of-body sensation, the sense that I’m not quite sure what’s going to happen next, that anything could happen. Thinking back, it’s perhaps not unreasonable to describe the momentary impulse as homicidal. If someone had been there to capture the instant with a camera, what would my face have looked like?

I get Nick on the phone. Six months of deficiency after deficiency, of ignorance of the building code, of ignorance of construction techniques in general, of garbage work, of repeatedly absent workers, of being manipulated, of being lied to, of worthless promises, of non-existent oversight, of having our hopes raised only to have them dashed, of moronic decisions, of babysitting incompetence, six months of rage, come pouring out like a volcano. Inside my chest a huge pressure accompanies the river of profanity I bellow down the phone. “DO YOU WANNA BE FUCKING FIRED?” Nick tries to calm me down, says he’ll come over right away. “YOU’RE GODDAMN FUCKING RIGHT YOU’LL GET OVER HERE RIGHT AWAY!” I rage on for about a minute, then slam down the phone as if trying to smash it right through the coffee table.

On the other side of the French door, in the kitchen, I see my wife’s alarmed face. Later, she tells me she’s never seen me that angry. Ever. Even though the doors and windows were closed, she tells me that the whole block heard.

I go into the backyard and take a number of deep, even breaths, feel the mild evening air flowing in and out of my lungs, slowly lowering my blood pressure. I go into the basement to await Nick’s arrival. By the time Nick shows up, about ten minutes later, I’m mostly back to normal. Through the front window I watch as he, and another guy, get out of Nick’s car. I don’t recognize the other guy, but I assume it’s one of his workers. Although it seems strange that one of his workers would still be around at this hour of the evening. As the two of them come up the walkway toward the house I can see the worker is really burly, with the body shape you get from thousands of hours spent pumping iron in a gym. I have to work hard to keep myself from laughing when I realize Nick, a deathly serious look on his face, has brought along a bodyguard.

Everything is weirdly cordial after the eruption. I shake hands when introduced to Nick’s worker. Nick makes some excuse for the screw-up with the gussets and the joist hangers and says they’ll be fixed. I then tell him about the problem with the short shear nails, and pull a couple free to demonstrate.

“Those are hanger nails,” he protests.

“Yeah, I know. But the company’s literature explicitly states you don’t use hanger nails in the diagonal nailing locations. They specify a 3-1/2 inch nail.”

Nick isn’t convinced, but tells me he’ll phone the company in the morning to verify what sort of nail should be used. Then he and his worker leave.

Shoelace 2

…it’s not the large things that send a man to the madhouse….

Nick’s mild protestation that “those are hanger nails” is what finally does him in. He’s completely sincere in that particular statement because at that moment that’s what he absolutely believes. And there are probably houses around Vancouver with the wrong sized shear nails in their joist hangers because Nick was the general contractor. Will those houses suffer structural failure? Probably not. But it doesn’t matter. I’ve finally realized that it makes absolutely no sense to be paying someone thousands of dollars to provide a service in which you have absolutely no faith. To feel that you have to double- and triple-check every decision you’re paying someone to make. To live with the constant anxiety that every additional piece of work someone does on your house could be damaging it even further.

In the morning Nick phones and tells me he’s spoken to the company and that I’m right about the shear nails. “I know,” I say. And then I tell him it’s over.

What happens the rest of the way

With the final departure of Nick, the high drama ends. Lawyers get involved, and on the advice of our lawyer, we eventually settle with Nick for an additional $5000.

(Nick’s settlement: $5000)

I keep plugging away on the seismic upgrading, and we hire a tile company to install a waterproof membrane and slate tile on the front stairs. The stairs end up looking really good, although ironically, appearance wasn’t the reason we undertook the work.

(Seismic upgrading, tool rentals and materials: $1360)

(Waterproof membrane and tiling: $4150)

Toward the end of summer, we have a bit of luck. While talking with a co-worker, my wife’s sister relates our renovation saga. The co-worker suggests getting in touch with her husband, a general contractor and custom home builder. She says her husband has spent an entire career in the industry, and is very focused on quality, and detail, to the extent that he sometimes drives his tradespeople crazy. This sounds worth following up. I check out the husband’s company web site, and I’m impressed, although I feel he may be out of our league.

Over the next month we have several meetings with Ray, and end up hiring him mid-September, 2008. His company is busy, finishing up a large project, and he won’t have a crew available until some time in the new year. But he’s willing to come in himself before then and do the work necessary to move forward with the installation of the new furnace and heating duct system, and to bring in his plumber to run the lines for the upstairs laundry. I assist with swapping in properly sized joist hangers, and with removing the incorrectly sized plywood gussets and reinstalling proper ones. One morning in early October my wife and I are standing with Ray in the basement when one of the heating technicians fires up the new furnace for the first time. The warmth wafting down from the newly installed heating registers overhead is intoxicating. Eighteen months without a furnace, and almost a year of humping bags of dirty clothes to the laundromat, have come to an end.

(New furnace and heating duct system: $15,000)

From this point forward, the renovation runs pretty smoothly. Because of last-minute add-ons to the big job they’re wrapping up, the crew doesn’t become available until the middle of March, 2009. I use the intervening time to complete all the seismic upgrading work in the suite, with the exception of attaching the plywood panels to the cripple walls, which the crew will do. In order to install pieces of seismic hardware known as a holddowns at the inside corners of the house, I rent a large rotary hammer drill to drill one-inch diameter holes fourteen inches deep in the concrete foundation walls. This job is sort of fun, but a bit stressful. After consulting with Ray, I also rip out those portions of the framing done by Dylan that are substandard — about two-thirds of it. Once the crew does start, progress is quick and the results are very good. Ray proves to be everything his wife, and his references, described: detail oriented, knowledgeable, responsible, and calm. In a word, professional. We discuss in advance various options for particular aspects of the renovation, agree on an approach, and then that’s what happens. Workers arrive at 8:00 am, work all day, and when I inspect the results at the end of the day, there’s significant progress and I don’t find anything remiss. And by this point I’ve developed a pretty good eye. I eventually stop checking if things are plumb, level, and square, because they always are.

The crew works steadily on our job for about ten weeks, and then more sporadically throughout the summer as they wait for my wife and I to do the insulation, including installing insulation in the ceiling for better soundproofing, and then later to paint the entire suite — portions of the renovation we do ourselves to try to save some money. In retrospect, the $1500 we save doing the painting, which takes five or six prime summer weekends, is a poor tradeoff.

Here’s a list of what the renovation includes, in the order that the work is done:

•    Removal of the old stucco siding and the old soffit under the eaves
•    Installation of new windows for the entire house (purchased from a company recommended by Ray, rather than the initial company we’d been dealing with)
•    Installation of a rainscreen
•    New soffit all around
•    Demolition of the rear deck superstructure, replacement of the old decking
•    Re-siding of the entire house with cedar
•    Suite framing, including plywood shear walls
•    Demolition of the upstairs bathroom
•    Replumbing of the entire house
•    Rewiring of the bottom half of the house, and installation of separate electrical panels downstairs and upstairs
•    Installation of new exterior doors for the entire house
•    Lighting throughout the suite
•    Insulating and installing vapour barrier in the suite and upstairs bathroom
•    Drywalling the suite and upstairs bathroom
•    Tile flooring in the suite, and tile flooring and shower surrounds in both bathrooms
•    Cabinet, counter, and cupboard installation in the suite kitchen and both bathrooms
•    Interior doors in the suite
•    Interior window and door trim for the entire house
•    Exterior concrete work
•    Suite appliances
•    New deck railings and stairs
•    Interior painting of the suite and upstairs bathroom
•    Exterior painting of the entire house
•    Hardwood flooring in the suite
•    Baseboards in the suite
•    Closet shelving and rods in the suite
•    Attic insulation increased to R50

Re-siding the house wasn’t part of our original plan. But once we gutted the basement we discovered that the building envelope — basically a couple of layers of building paper under the stucco — was beginning to fail and in places water was seeping through the shiplap sheathing boards. A new bathroom upstairs wasn’t part of the plan either, but we decide to include it once Ray explains that it’s much more cost effective, and less disruptive, to replumb both the downstairs and the upstairs bathrooms at the same time, rather than return to do the upstairs one at a later date. Besides which, both my wife and I really hate our old upstairs bathroom.

By our estimation, we rebuild about 50% of the house over the course of the entire renovation. We decide to leave the interior renovation of the top half of the house, with the exception of the bathroom and the windows and doors, until later. We could have moved into the rental suite for a period of time, and had Ray and his crew renovate the top half as well, but we’re physically and psychologically exhausted, and we’ve maxed out our line of credit. We need a break, and we need to restart the stream of rental income.

At the beginning of September, 2009, tenants move into the new suite, three years and one month after the previous tenants moved out of the old suite.

The final reckoning — sort of

After Ray takes over the renovation, the drama that does exist involves money, and the players are my wife, me, and our line of credit.

Ray and his crew are not cheap. The contract with Ray is straightforward. Rather than a set price, he charges the hourly rate that he pays his own workers, the invoice amount submitted by the subtrades such as the plumber and the electrician, the contractor price for materials (typically somewhat cheaper, and sometimes significantly cheaper, than the retail price), and then adds 15% of everything for his fee. This arrangement is spelled out in advance, written down on a single sheet of paper, and Ray never deviates from it for the entire duration of the renovation.

Ray’s two senior workers on the job, skilled and experienced guys, one of whom used to run his own construction company, are $65 an hour each. A more junior worker is $37.50 an hour, and a labourer $20 an hour. The senior workers also negotiate an hour of paid travel time a day, each, because they live in distant suburbs and could easily find work much closer to home. We’re not that thrilled about the travel time, and Ray understands and gives us a choice of using different workers who wouldn’t be paid travel time, but he feels that the two workers he’s recommending would have the best mix of skills for our job. So we agree. Although it’s September 2008, and the global financial crisis is in full throttle, with shocking news coming out of the US almost daily, it seems the market in Vancouver, at least for builders with good reputations, still bears a lot.

Earlier in the year, we meet and become friends with a neighbouring couple who live in their mostly renovated 1920s builder’s special about a block away. They’ve done a great job on their place, working at it on and off for the past decade, often by themselves, but during one phase, that included raising the house and pouring a new foundation, hiring a construction company. They tell us that when a construction crew is going gangbusters on your place, to expect invoices equaling about $10,000 a week. We’re shocked, but that turns out to be exactly what Ray and his crew cost us. During the initial, intense, ten-week period of work, Ray presents an invoice every two weeks, and the average amount is almost exactly $20,000. To begin with, I’m secretly horrified. I can’t believe the size of the cheques we’re writing against our home equity line of credit. I’ve never seen or written cheques this large, with this frequency, in my life. When we renewed our mortgage in October 2006, we had an outstanding balance of $193,000, and a home equity plan that allows us to borrow up to $375,000, including the mortgage balance. So initially we have up to $182,000 available to borrow for the renovation, which in 2006 seemed like a huge sum. Now, in 2008 and 2009, I’m worried it won’t be enough. And if it hadn’t been for our aggressive lump sum payments against the mortgage and the renovation costs throughout the 2006 to 2009 period, it wouldn’t have been. In fact, toward the end of the project, we had to use a smaller, personal line of credit to pay three of Ray’s invoices. By 2009, the bank probably would have given us an increased limit on our home equity line of credit, but that wasn’t something we were interested in, and the interest rates on the two lines of credit were comparable.

By the end of 2008 I’m worried enough about the economic crisis and the ultimate effect it may have on Vancouver house prices, which at this point have been crashing for six months, and credit availability based on home equity, that I seriously consider calling off the renovation, or postponing it indefinitely. We have heat, we have a laundry. Without too much additional expense and effort we could insulate the basement ourselves, and bunker down to weather the economic storm, focusing strictly on debt reduction. We wouldn’t have a rental suite generating income, just an unfinished basement beneath us, but we also wouldn’t be racking up tens of thousands of dollars of additional debt. I float the idea of putting the reno on hold with my wife. She understands the increased risk we’re now facing, but doesn’t want to lose Ray. We’ve been lucky to find him, and have already spent almost four months waiting for his crew to become available, not to mention the previous two years of grief, so letting him go now, without having the benefit of his services, would be painful.

We decide to stay the course. I do a little mental calculation that helps calm my nerves. My conservative estimate of the market value of our house before prices begin falling in 2008 is $700,000. Based on my reading of the doom blogs, a worst case scenario real estate crash in Vancouver might chop prices in half, which would leave us with a market value of $350,000 — which is almost exactly what we paid for the house in 2003, a year into the real estate boom. As long as our overall debt level doesn’t climb much beyond $350K, the possibility of falling into negative equity, and perhaps having trouble when it comes time to renew the mortgage in 2011, is pretty remote.

So, on the financial side, that was the line we drew in the sand. Very belatedly, we had a budget. Not a proper budget, with broken-down line items, and maximum expenditures for different components of the reno — we never had that — but at least a ceiling. And I think having that ceiling did put the brakes on when it came to contemplating renovating the entire house at one go. We decided to phase the renovation because of renovation exhaustion, but also because of growing financial prudence.

We didn’t keep a running total of the cost of the renovation as it was ongoing — although we should have. I had a rough idea, just by looking at the balances on the two lines of credit. But those balances were somewhat lower than the actual amount we spent because of all the lump sum payments we made along the way. I did realize at a certain point that our initial estimate of a maximum $100,000 price tag was laughably naïve. I only put together an actual accounting of all the money we spent on the renovation as a necessary companion to writing this series.

Here’s the breakdown of the costs after Ray took over, the per-episode totals, and the grand total:

Ray and crew: $161,000 (14 invoices)
TK final inspections: $525
New windows (materials only): $4800
Cabinets, counters, cupboards for kitchen and two bathrooms (materials and installation): $8445
Attic insulation: $1000
Tile (materials only): $585
Hardwood flooring (materials only): $2670
Blinds (suite only, materials and installation): $686
Suite appliances: $3000
Miscellaneous (tools, building materials, paint, hazmat analysis, mirrors, small bathroom fixtures, etc.): $3394
====================================
Episode 8 total: $232,066
Episode 7 total: $32,449
Episode 6 total: $32,572
Renovation grand total: $297,087

When I first tallied all the reno costs, I was somewhat dumbfounded by that grand total. I knew we’d gone well over $200K, had maybe spent $250K, but I certainly didn’t think we’d spent almost $300K. I’d moved a long way from that person in his 20s and 30s scrutinizing and researching every hundred-dollar purchase, grubbing around flea markets and the Sally Ann, to someone who could lose track of $50,000.

I began to worry we’d overpaid. And in a certain sense, like everyone else recently buying or renovating a house in the city with the most expensive real estate in Canada, and probably among the highest construction costs, of course we overpaid. But had we overpaid in relation to other Vancouverites? Our friends with the renovated builder’s special kindly shared their renovation numbers with us: $380K spent on renos over thirteen years, “and that doesn’t count the massive amount of sweat equity.” Other friends, less than half a block away, are just a few weeks into a complete top floor renovation, from the studs out, of their 1950s bungalow, a house about 25% larger than ours. Their estimated cost is $200K. And they’re not replacing the drainage, the basement slab, the furnace and heating ducts, the windows, or the siding — big-ticket items for us. So no, we probably didn’t overpay in Vancouver terms. But the question remains, just what are ‘Vancouver terms’?

The house looks great. We’re very happy with the results, if not the painful journey to get there. I just wish it hadn’t cost us $350K to buy, and another $300K to renovate, with another $60K to $100K we might spend renovating the upstairs kitchen and the remainder of the upstairs, depending on how ambitious we get with altering the layout. I’ll go even further, and say that it shouldn’t have cost us that much money to purchase and renovate, but that’s something I’ll discuss in an upcoming episode. Admittedly, we wouldn’t have spent as much money if we weren’t putting in a rental suite, with all the additional infrastructure required to created a completely self-contained second living unit. And even though that portion of the renovation is something of an investment, or a business undertaking, it’s an investment that’s going to take a long time to pay itself off. The $1300 a month rent we’re now charging is only an additional $700 a month on top of the $600 we used to charge, and in the process of rebuilding the suite, we had a 37-month interruption in the revenue stream. At $700 additional rent a month, it will take us 32 more months — until April 2012 — just to make back the lost revenue. If, at the outset, we’d had a more realistic idea of what the numbers were going to be, it’s perhaps not a venture we would have embarked upon.

I’d include before and after pictures of the outside of the house if I wasn’t trying to preserve a certain amount of anonymity. The anonymity has more to do with protecting the identities of the various bad actors I’ve described, than my own identity. If my identity is generally known, that’s one less degree of separation. What I can share is a before and after of the suite kitchen

Kitchen before

Kitchen after

Next episode

Part 9: “So You Want to Buy a House and Fix It Up? Ten Suggestions for Survival”

My wife and I learned a lot of things the hard way during the renovation of our house. If you’re planning to buy a house and fix it up, or if you already own a classic dump and you’re itching to start smashing out walls, here’s a list of ten suggestions that might save you some grief…

Financial details

From 2004 onward, all mortgage and LOC balances are as of 31 December of the year in question.

2003
Asking Price: $355,000
Sale Price: $355,000
Down payment: $88,750 (25%, ergo, no CMHC insurance, representing thousands of dollars of additional cost)
Mortgage (at purchase, Sep 2003): $266,250
Terms: 3 year fixed at 4.00%, 18 year amortization, bi-weekly payments
2003 Property Assessment (estimate of market value on July 1, 2002): $260,600
2004 Property Assessment (estimate of market value on July 1, 2003): $330,500
Equity based on assessment: $64,250

2004
Mortgage principal: $247,330
Terms: 3 year fixed at 4.00%, 18 year amortization, bi-weekly payments
2005 Property Assessment (estimate of market value on July 1, 2004): $420,000
Equity based on assessment: $172,670

2005
Mortgage principal: $201,829
Terms: 3 year fixed at 4.00%, 18 year amortization, bi-weekly payments
2006 Property Assessment (estimate of market value on July 1, 2005): $461,000
Equity based on assessment: $259,171

2006
Mortgage principal: $191,884
Terms: 5 year variable at Prime minus .75%, 25 year amortization, bi-weekly payments
HELOC balance: $4,291
HELOC interest rate: variable, at Prime.
2007 Property Assessment (estimate of market value on July 1, 2006): $570,000
Equity based on assessment: $373,825

2007
Mortgage principal: $183,063
Terms: 5 year variable at Prime minus .75%, 25 year amortization, bi-weekly payments
HELOC balance: $49,410
HELOC interest rate: variable, at Prime.
2008 Property Assessment (estimate of market value on July 1, 2007): $639,000
Equity based on assessment: $406,527

2008
Mortgage principal: $173,171
Terms: 5 year variable at Prime minus .75%, 25 year amortization, bi-weekly payments
HELOC balance: $61,161
HELOC interest rate: variable, at Prime.
2009 Property Assessment (estimate of market value on July 1, 2008): $672,700
Equity based on assessment: $438,368

2009
Mortgage principal: $160,929
Terms: 5 year variable at Prime minus .75%, 25 year amortization, bi-weekly payments
Second mortgage principal (HELOC converted): 184,000
Terms: 5 year variable at Prime minus .20%, 13.5 year amortization, bi-weekly payments
HELOC Visa: $18,544
HELOC Visa interest rate: variable, at Prime plus 1.00%.
Personal LOC: $5,763
Personal LOC interest rate: 2.25% (promotional rate), 4.75% starting in April 2010
2010 Property Assessment (estimate of market value on July 1, 2009): $662,700
Equity based on assessment: $293,464

2010 (to 31 July)
Mortgage principal: $153,960
Terms: 5 year variable at Prime minus .75%, 25 year amortization, bi-weekly payments
Second mortgage principal (HELOC converted): $176,565
Terms: 5 year variable at Prime minus .20%, 13.5 year amortization, bi-weekly payments
HELOC Visa: $23,319
HELOC Visa interest rate: variable, at Prime plus 1.00%.
Personal LOC: zero
Personal LOC interest rate: 2.25% (promotional rate), 4.75% starting in April 2010
My estimate of 2011 Property Assessment (estimate of market value on July 1, 2010): $723,000
(using REBGV’s July 2010 figure of +9.2% YOY for Vancouver East detached)
Total debt: $353,844
Equity based on assessment: $369,156

“The pressure to buy was absolutely immense. He caved and paid current prices because the alternative of constant harassment would have driven him insane.”

jesse1 on RETalks 6 Aug 2010 8:41pm“A member of my extended family bought recently because he and his wife are expecting their first child. The pressure to buy, for various reasons, was absolutely immense. I looked in awe at the way he was treated by his immediate family. He caved and paid current prices because the alternative of constant harassing would have driven him insane.”

oneangryslav’s Sister’s Sale Update

oneangryslav2 at vancouvercondo.info 30 Jul 2010 10:36 am -

“As I’ve written before, my sister listed her home in Coquitlam about 6 weeks ago. She’s had about ten or so showings and three Sunday open houses, but no offer yet. She has noticed listings in the same neighbourhood expiring and not being re-listed, which is good for her as there is less competition.

Oh, and the realtor suggests that the lack of an offer thus far due to a combination of the price being too high (which it probably is, by about $25,000) and the great weather. “Nobody wants to buy a house when the weather is good!” Except aren’t the highest sales volumes seen during the summer?”

‘Landtricks’ Accusations – “I worked for a large developer until recently. Even I wasn’t aware of all the tricks, because only the owners of the largest development companies know of them.”

A series of accusations that developers in Vancouver and the lower mainland manipulate land transactions to their own advantage has been posted anonymously, and undated, on a website ‘landtricks.tripod.com’ under the heading ‘Metro Vancouver Land Cartel’. For the record, we archive part of it below, with specifics edited out. We found out about the post after ‘tabin’ linked it at RE Talks [30 Jul 2010, 4:43 pm]. The author claims to be somebody who “worked for a large developer until recently”, and quotes from an e-mail sent to him/her by “a colleague and friend”, so this is 2 or 3 degrees of separation stuff. We have no way of verifying whether there is any truth to these accusations, but we’ll be following with interest any public dialogue that results.
In every bubble, insiders and vested interests make hay during the boom period, and we’d expect the Vancouver RE bubble to be no different. We have previously noted the unholy triad of  ‘uncritical media’, ‘vested interests’ and ‘government compliance’ that definitely helped fuel our bubble. “Everybody’s hustling for a buck and a dime”, after all.
Vested interests and insiders making as much money as possible during boom times, is not, however, the same as possible price-fixing and other nefarious practices, so we’ll have to see if there ever emerges any actual evidence of this. It sounds to us like the kind of issue that could becomes a focus of attention in a serious downturn, when a significant number of people holding over-leveraged RE cans will be looking for scapegoats.
Speaking of downturns, we’d not expect this issue to make any difference to the inevitability of a bubble implosion. Even if there was a ‘cartel’ attempting to continually manipulate prices upwards, the size of the market, and the forces that come into play when a bubble runs out of oxygen, will completely overwhelm their attempts. If anything, upward manipulation of prices during the boom will simply ensure that the bubble is that much greater, and that the subsequent fall will be that much greater, too. -vreaa

This from landtricks.tripod.com [undated; first seen 30 Jul 2010] -

“I received a very interesting and informative email from a colleague and friend of mine. I thought it important enough that it should be shared with all the people who might be affected by this. I worked for a large developer until recently and was sent this email and even I wasn’t aware of all the tricks because only the owners of the largest development companies know them.
The author refers to the suburban situation. I can attest it holds across Metro Vancouver and the tricks may vary to suit the different conditions in the various municipalities.

The email is as follows:

I know quite a few people have an idea or suspicion about the collusion in price fixing (like the oil companies do with gas prices) that goes on with  the main established developers … but not the details of how its carried out – even I only know some of it because its clever and kept secret.  This is also carried out elsewhere in the Lower Mainland and parts of BC but I don’t think to the extent and success it has been in Surrey/Langley. In Richmond it has not really been successful in the city centre because too many Asian developers jumped in.  Also it doesn’t work with smaller projects as the smaller developers can do them so its not possible to control those.
It all really started in 1991 when Surrey had its “Suburban Lands Review” identifying all the new future NCP [Neighbourhood Concept Plan -ed.] development areas. That is when the big developers … got together and divided all the areas up for joint ventures and options and staked their claims to purchase land so as not to compete with each other as there was such a surplus of land all at once available for future development.  This was a smart move (though it was illegal) as there was enough of a pie for everyone.  They also sold the idea to the City of Surrey that NCPs should be self funded so that this way the large developers could control development and shut out the smaller and midsized developers – who would be left with the scraps and had no control over the timing of development.
Now with the number of new NCP areas that are developable at any one time much more limited in Surrey and Langley (currently only South Newton, Grandview Heights and Yorkson are), they have to compete within the same NCPs.  So what they do is divide up the NCP parcel by parcel so each of them get their share of the major parcels and this way they do not compete with each other.  …
If any one of the cartel members purchases a parcel, they then get first dibs on any adjoining parcel (unless it is already “assigned”).  Some developers get first dibs on property on certain types of roads.  Its all mapped out in detail.  This is why landowners rarely get competing bids from cartel members and prices are suppressed but the savings are never passed on to home buyers and simply goes to extra large “bonus” profits.

Some of the specific tricks are:
- Lesser members get the less desirable sites allocated to them and are expected to pay less for their land in order to maximally suppress land values to benefit the cartel (the more established ones reap the greatest benefit out of this).  So unknowing to them, the lesser ones do the “dirty work” and are used to sacrifice for the greater benefit of the others in the cartel.
- Up and coming developers are often told of the benefits and are tricked to join (but don’t really get the benefits) the cartel but often later leave it when they realize its not to their benefit and they are being used and controlled (but some still get suckered in to stay as they feel important in that they belong in the company of these bigger developers and they feel they have “arrived”).  What a few smart developers have done in the past is just play along and still steal whatever land they want once they learn of the exact competition for whatever land they want and then end up being out of the cartel.
- The cartel uses its own realtors – each developer has its own agent for each area.  This way listing agents (and buying agents) have no control and the developers control buying and selling. That is why they don’t even respond to listing agents trying to sell their clients development properties. For realtors, there is no point in contacting any of these developers as they already know which parcels are “theirs”.
- For new NCPs they purposely have the engineering consulting firm (with whom they are very friendly and give a lot of business to) leave property that is serviceable just outside the boundary of a new NCP and later purchase it from the owner cheap and get the NCP boundary moved so it is “in” and serviceable.
-The cartel’s new trick is in new NCP areas to force consolidation of parcels (put in servicing and planning constraints) so they only can do development because they are big enough to purchase multiple properties and overcome these hurdles.  This way they also get the land cheaper. They also get the planners to run future roads in funny ways and not shared along property lines to further do this (force consolidation of parcels for development to be feasible).
- They buy up the parcels which can hold up development (like where key future road access and servicing points are) so as to control development.
- To suppress pricing of land further, cartel members do not buy optioned land from speculators even if it is a good deal and only if they really have to. This keeps speculators out and cartel members artificially control prices downwards.
- They collude and fix selling prices of their housing units also so as not to compete with each other and get the maximum selling price possible.
- They encourage all their members to spend the least they have to on exterior finishing so as to keep the standard low and not raise expectations of consumers.  Yet they still sell their housing units for “full” price.  This is done to maximize profits for the long term.
- Even when making 10 million profit on a 5 million dollar project investment (of their own money), they will fight city planners for every inch for even small concessions.  This is because they are so damn cheap and greedy and also they do not want to set precedents for the municipality to make it easier to change policies that will later effect their profits, especially in leaner times.
- There wouldn’t be a problem with this land price fixing if say they were going to take a fixed 20% profit on the product and if the land were cheap, the selling price was reduced to keep the same 20% profit.  Instead, even if they get the land for free, they sell for the maximum price they can get and maximum profit. I have seen this when they get the land for “dirt cheap”, they never give a break to the home buyer.  Of course they do not have 100% control over the land values as supply and demand, scarcity, migration, the economy and other factors largely control this but they still have a large enough influence with their monopolistic collusion tactics which are in fact illegal.
- The biggest mistake this cartel made is that they were short-sighted and cheap and not really very smart in not buying up all the developable land parcels they could in order to control development permanently and block all future competition.  They foolishly thought (and still do to an extent) that they can buy the land they need when it suits them at their price. They underestimated other smaller developers (like the Indo community ones) who then came in and got a big enough chunk of the development pie and have become much bigger and will be more dominant in the future and have taken a lot of the cartels market share.  Smart business people would have seen this potential problem and bought up the land for their future development dominance. In fact any smart developers can just go out there and snap up as much development land as possible and then they will be the main builders in the years to come as they would control much of what can be developed and just laugh all the way to the bank and the rest would be left on the sidelines as there is only very limited developable land and without it you are no longer a player.  It is easy to do this but to tell you the truth, these guys aren’t too bright and are just a bunch of circus monkeys ordered around by the ring masters (the big developers who run the cartel for their benefit).
- They give themselves awards they just divvy up among the cartel members which are a farce and are simply a marketing tool and a way of getting new developers to join them.  They also function as a way to keep cartel members obedient to the cartel – if members don’t follow the rules, they don’t get any candy (awards).

- The cartel’s developers has really strong political influence at every municipality they are active in but the real control is in ownership of the land and they failed to realize this simple and obvious fact and missing this important fact, allowed a lot of smaller developers to become bigger thereby “stealing” the cartel developer land and the smaller developers made a lot of money and therefore are now real future competition for the cartel developers. As a result of this threat, the cartel developers are trying even more corrupt tactics at the municipalities.  The worst municipality for this is the City of Surrey (which is surprising since it is so large and not some small town where it is easy to buy off a few people and control it).  They especially buy off or influence city staff.  … The corruption and influence is still there and in a way its worse because the cartel is losing its control and is getting more desperate and has been done to a greater extent including a new (since about last year) special greater focus more to the implementation (application and servicing) stages.  In actual fact, Surrey needs a full-time or part-time engineer and a planner to act as auditors or ombudsman to oversee all decisions and respond to any complaints who are independent and do not know staff.  It really is that bad in Surrey.

All I am going to tell about myself is that I have been developing in the Surrey Langley area for over 25 years and have done very well financially and have recently retired from it and have let the next generation carry on with it and thats why I have not given my name here.  I just wanted to give back by letting people know so that the illegal racket will end sooner rather than later and I did my part in exposing it so I can clear my conscience as I benefited from it because I was able to buy land cheaper and sell my housing for greater prices and profits due to the price fixing and non-competing of the cartel.”

Spot The Speculator #7 – “The RE buzz is still alive in my circle of friends.”

anonymous at vancouvercondo.info 26 Jul 2010 9:57 am -

“I was talking to a couple of friends on the weekend. The RE buzz is still alive in my circle:
-one (first time buyer) looking to buy a SFH in east van, is being “helped” by his parents to exceed the 20% DP threshold so that 80% of rental income could be used to qualify
-another is selling his “newish” custom built home to buy a subdividable lot, plans on building 2 homes, 1 to live in the other to sell (story from the friend above)
-one couple (move-up buyers) are planning on buying a house in Surrey with 2 mortgage helpers (carriage house and basement suite), with the combined rental income they figure the outstanding mortgage will be $300/month (didn’t get financing details)

As long as there’s cheap money at play, people seem to be fearless about loading up on debt.”

“Darby and Jill have their home, their cottage and two rental properties all in the same region. Their children also live in the area, raising the couple’s exposure to a single real estate market even further because of the mortgages they hold. They are in the real estate market up to their ears.”

Across the country, people close to retirement are overinvested in real estate. [In Ontario, there is also an unhealthy infatuation with small, grubby 'Group of Seven' prints. Haven't these guys heard of Jack Shadbolt? Ten times the square footage, five times the colour range, at a third of the price. Not everything in BC is overpriced.] – vreaa

From ‘Getting a handle on spending’ by Dianne Maley, Globe & Mail, 2 Jul 2010 -

“Jill and Darby, both 62, are looking forward to easing into retirement. She has her own business and he has just quit his job to work as a consultant. Together, they earn a tidy sum, netting $10,000 a month. But their spending is high, too. And they are in the real estate market up to their ears. They have a cottage on Georgian Bay worth about $700,000 with two lines of credit on it, one for a down payment on a couple of rental properties and the other to lend money to their children, who are making regular payments. They have a home in Barrie, Ont., valued at $300,000 with a $135,000 mortgage, and the two rental properties that just cover their costs and in which they have virtually no equity after the cost of selling them is taken into account. They plan to sell the income properties one day and divide the anticipated profit with their son and daughter. As well, they hold $200,000 mortgages for each of their two children, who each pay them $1,200 a month. Their plan is to retire on about $80,000 a year, far less than the $100,000-plus they are spending now. The $100,000 doesn’t include the $2,000 a month credit card payment. Darby and Jill have more than $1-million in savings and investments, including the mortgage loans to their children.”

RE related assets and liabilities include:
Assets: Cottage $700,000; family home $300,000; two rental properties $380,000. Total: $1,380,000

Asset or liability?: Mortgages to children (money lent to children to buy RE) $400,000.
Liabilities: Line of credit on cottage (down payment rental properties) $90,000; Line of credit on cottage (loan to children) $75,000; mortgages on rental properties $265,000; mortgage on family home $135,000. Total: $565,000.

See the original article for full analysis, and advice to the couple from a financial planner, which includes the following:
“They have too many eggs in one basket. People need to watch their real estate diversification with regard to location. Darby and Jill have their home, their cottage and two rental properties all in the same region. Their children also live in the area, raising the couple’s exposure to a single real estate market even further because of the mortgages they hold. They have 72 per cent of their net assets in real estate in the Barrie/Georgian Bay area – almost $1.8-million. They may want to reconsider their risk profile and their ability to absorb a rise in interest rates in deciding whether holding the two rental properties matches their short- and long-term goals. “

[Translation: "Sell!" -vreaa]

“Friend with million dollar house for sale in prime neighborhood, can’t figger out why no one is calling. They are actually going to get their phone-line checked, I’m serious. Price reduction? Are you kidding? This place is different!”

If your house doesn’t sell, it’s because your phone isn’t working. Anything but the imagined gains being too high. -vreaa

wetcoaster at greaterfool.ca 11 July 2010 10:11 pm -

“Friend with million dollar house [for sale] in prime west coast neighborhood, can’t figger out why no one is calling. They are actually going to get their phone line checked, I’m serious. Price reduction ? are you kidding ? this place is different. I stay so far out of this picture, lol.”

“I know a couple who were forced into buying a couple of years back cause “daddy knew best” and he co-signed and coughed up the downpayment as they work low level jobs.”

coastal at vancouvercondo.info 27 Jun 2010 5:43 pm -

“I know a couple who were forced into buying a couple of years back cause “daddy knew best” and he co-signed and coughed up the downpayment as they work low level jobs. The suite in the basement idea never worked out cause they kept getting assholes for renters and they had to put their kids in an illegal daycare to save money. They can’t sell cause daddy will lose his cash and they’re stuck paying most of their income to the mortgage.”