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“I’ve lived in Vancouver most of my life (>50 years) and what’s going on here is completely irrational.”

30 November 2009 · Leave a Comment

This from West Coast Woman at greaterfool.ca 30 Nov 2009 12:07 am -

“I’ve lived in Vancouver most of my life (>50 years) and what’s going on here is completely irrational. The various levels of government hyping that the Owe-limpics are going to bring in all these new people, and people are buying into it and paying ridiculous prices for housing. The house across the street was last purchased 2001/2002 for $445,000, and sold last month for $1,588,000. This house had been nicely renovated with a basement suite added. The house two down from me sold two months ago for $1,560,000 and is now back on the market for $1,888,000. Nothing has been done to it in the interim. The house around the corner was bought for $998,000 at the beginning of this year and just sold for $1,790,000! This house was updated (a bit) and had a bachelor basement suite. In 2001/2002 a well-maintained house in this neighbourhood cost about $500,000. The current price for a knock-down in this neighbourhood is now $1,500,0000+, with new houses selling for $3,200,000 to 3,500,000. These are on lots approximately 50′ x 120′. Have people gone insane just because interest rates are low? Do they really think that people are going to move here because Vancouver looks pretty on the TV?”

Categories: 02. Profiting from the Boom · 13. 2010 Olympics Related · 14. Social Effects of the Boom
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“Vancouver is back in boom times… Unlike anything in the world… The speculation is that prices will go up after the Olympics”

29 November 2009 · 1 Comment

Speculators continue to bet on rising Vancouver RE prices, and some still appear to be anticipating that the effect of the Olympics is not yet priced into the market.

Here are extracts from a report by Sam Cooper in The Province 29 Nov 2009 -

“The buzz is back. In scenes rarely seen since the Vancouver real-estate market peaked in early 2008, a horde of hungry investors lined up for hours in a downpour Saturday [28 Nov 2009] to get first dibs on pre-sale condo units in a tower to be erected in Yaletown. Cam Good, who is heading up marketing for “The Mark” by Onni, said some investors even slept outside Friday night to ensure prime line-up positions. “We’re blown away by the turnout,” Good said from inside the downtown pre-sale centre as about 50 investors scrambled around a model of the building.”

“While the global debt and credit crisis continues to haunt developments in former real-estate hotspots like Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, Good said Vancouver is back in boom times.”The [real-estate] strength in Vancouver is unlike anything in the world,” Good said.”

“Mayur Arora, who told The Province he hoped to land a top-floor unit, and his realtor K.D. Dhaliwal, said location and scarcity make the site an attractive investment. “I’m here because they are selling Yaletown at today’s prices, but the speculation is [that] prices will go up after the Olympics,” Arora said.  Steve Dhana was amazed by speculator interest as he watched investors rushing to place bids on units. “The prices went up $50,000 last night,” Dhana said. He hoped to buy a unit in the $500,000 price-range, and also expected prices to surge in February 2010.”

Categories: 02. Profiting from the Boom · 12. Effects of Development · 13. 2010 Olympics Related · 14. Social Effects of the Boom
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“Whistler bankrupted a very good friend of mine. He got in 4 years ago on the Olympics hype but it was all a mirage.”

25 November 2009 · Leave a Comment

Whistler is Vancouver’s premier ‘cottage country’. You’d be excused for guessing that, as Vancouver boomed, Whistler would have moved in lock-step. This has not been the case, with the luxury market there moving down for years. This has affected a subgroup of Vancouver RE investors. These two posts at RE Talks on 25 Nov 2009 -

kevind (5:43 am)“I have several friends and associates that got hammered and are still stuck in Whistler and can’t get their properties sold. One guy has had his place for sale for 5 years and has had only one offer in all that time for 1 million under his build cost and he just keeps dropping the price. He’s also lost most of his hair from the stress. I know of another place that went on the market new in 2005 for just under 3 million and last time I looked it had dropped to the 1.8 range and still for sale. The build and land cost him more than 1.8. A round of drinks one evening last season at the Longhorn and I hear this guy over at the next table make the comment something like “Christ, I feel like I could put my place up for 1 buck and no one would call”. Another friend I know just wishes his place would magically burn to the ground because the insurance replacement build value is 1.5 million more than he can hope to get for it today if he’s lucky and he would still own the land. I could go on and on.”

Greenhorn (8:50 am)“Whistler bankrupted a very good friend of mine. He got in 4 years ago on the Olympics hype but it was all a mirage. Once his property was underwater, he gave it back to the bank and got sued for the deficit. Just going through bankruptcy now. Luckily other assets like his home were in his wifes name and she has credit still or he would be on the street. They both have jobs and income right now, but the deficit to the bank was too huge to recover from. Bankruptcy was the only choice. I went to many parties in his house in Whistler. It was beautiful. Towards the end, he had a tenant who operated the property as a type of hostel/hotel. The tenant was always late on rent payments though he was making money and getting paid every month. There are a lot of scammers up there.”

Categories: 11. Regrets about Investing in RE · 13. 2010 Olympics Related
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Olympic Rental Oversupply

21 November 2009 · Leave a Comment

This exchange regarding Olympic renting at RE Talks, from 20 Nov 2009 11:46 -

nico101 – “I have a house near Commercial Drive which is losing it’s tenants for the upper 2 floors on Dec 1st. I still have the basement suite tenants though. Given the timing I’m considering the whole Olympic rental thing.”

Agitprop – “My sister has had her place with a jaw dropping view in West Van, listed for a month or two….nada. The market is WAY oversupplied.”

Categories: 02. Profiting from the Boom · 13. 2010 Olympics Related
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The Globe and Mail – “In Vancouver, House Prices On A Tear”

21 November 2009 · Leave a Comment

In parts of Vancouver, such as the Vancouver Eastside, the market has reached fever pitch.  This article in the Globe and Mail by Kerry Gold, 19 Nov 2009 6:03 pm, has so many important anecdotal points regarding sentiment and market activity that vreaa has archived large swatches in this post, and highlighted two stories from it in the posts above.

“In the last three months, a heritage house at 274 E. 20th Ave. was listed for $959,000 and sold for $320,000 above asking, after eight days on the market. A heritage fixer-upper at 265 E. 24th was listed for $749,000 and sold for $1,033,000 within a mere 13 days. A month later, another house nearby at 214 E. 24th, was listed for $749,000 and sold for $950,000 within six days. A typical Vancouver Special at 4554 Walden St. was listed for $730,000 and sold eight days later for $958,000. All those houses were in the trendy Main Street area.”

“It’s very topical,” says realtor Rod MacKay. “Other places [in the country] are strong, but nobody’s seen anything like this. What’s really surprising is nobody anticipated the six-month dry spell being as slow as it was, and prices coming up as much. No one anticipated it bouncing back so far and so quickly.”

“At the beginning of this spring’s buying frenzy, buyers were offering $100,000 above asking in some cases. But by September and October, there were buyers – no doubt tired of being repeatedly out-bid – who are making offers so far above the asking price they couldn’t lose. In the case of the house at 265 E. 24th, it went for $284,000 above asking. “That takes a lot of stones to do that,” says the selling agent Darryl Sjerven. “There were 18 offers on that house. So you go in there, write an offer, and there are 17 other offers and you don’t know what any of them are. They could all be just $10,000 over asking. To go and write $284,000 over takes a lot of guts.”

To describe the bidding mentality these last few months, Mr. Sjerven uses the analogy of a “hang loose” hand gesture – with the three middle fingers curled under and pinkie and thumb sticking out.“Say you get five offers on a house, and suppose the house is listed at $750,000. The guy with the pinkie does not get it, he doesn’t know what’s going on,” says Mr. Sjerven. “Even though there are four other offers, he’ll offer you $700,000 subject to sale of his home and if he gets financing and everything. Then you get the typical pack in the middle, they’ll go around $785,000, or something like that. There’ll be a cluster of those people. Then there’s the thumb. It sticks right over the side and says, ‘this is my house. I want this house.’ He’s far enough ahead that it doesn’t get into further bidding or anything like that. And he buys that house.”

A few months ago, it seemed like the only houses being sold in bidding wars were the “hot properties,” the ones with three bedrooms up, new granite counter tops, and a gleaming in-law suite downstairs. More recently, the bidding wars have been over houses that aren’t so hot, such as that Vancouver Special that went for above asking.“The house wasn’t renovated or anything,” says selling agent Kenny Wong. “It was 37 years old. It had the original “shagadelic” carpets. It was on a 33-by-110 lot. It wasn’t even a standard lot. “I had a hard time selling a Vancouver Special in the winter – a lot of people made low-ball offers,” he adds. “Now they are going over asking.”

Although overall prices aren’t quite at pre-correction levels, for buyers it has felt like the spring of 2008 again.

As to where the market will be in early 2010, the current frenzy appears to be abating and realtors like Mr. Sjerven expect the lull to last over the winter and through to the end of the Olympics. Not many people like to list or buy homes around the holiday season, and few are going to want to sell around the time of the Games, when it could be hard to get around. That five-month lull will create “pent-up demand” that will trigger another frenzy, says Mr. Sjerven. “Once you clear the Olympics out of the way and we’re into April, it will be a race to those listings. Spring is going to rock.”

Categories: 02. Profiting from the Boom · 06. Held my Nose and Leapt · 08. Overextended Buyers · 13. 2010 Olympics Related · 14. Social Effects of the Boom
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“They were beginning to get freaked out by the prospect of losing their jobs while trying to pay their mortgages.”

16 November 2009 · Leave a Comment

This from logic at vancouvercondo.info 16 Nov 2009 3:53 pm -

“I was sitting in the Starbucks on the corner of Denman and Davie this morning, doing a bit of work and listening to a group of 4 construction tradesmen at the table behind me talking about all the layoffs in the places they work, and stating that they were beginning to get “freaked out” by the prospect of losing their jobs while trying to pay their mortgages. They were most worried by the fact that it’s not just the new hires being let go, but also people with “seniority”. I felt sorry for them, as they genuinely sounded worried, and seemed like nice enough guys.”

 

Categories: 08. Overextended Buyers · 13. 2010 Olympics Related · 14. Social Effects of the Boom
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Visual Anecdote – ‘Real Estate Lift-Off’ Cover of the Georgia Straight

13 November 2009 · Leave a Comment

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Would you get onboard this rocket? Heading into orbit, or destined to end as a giant fireball?

The Nov 12-19, 2009 Georgia Straight Cover, a free publication available on the streets of Vancouver.

Categories: 13. 2010 Olympics Related · 14. Social Effects of the Boom
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“On Halloween we got less than 25% of the historical number of children at our door Trick or Treating.”

6 November 2009 · Leave a Comment

vreaa was not the only one to notice the dearth of trick-or-treaters this year. This from TheOrra at thetyee.ca, commenting on an article on reduced projections regarding the economic benefits of the 2010 Olympic Games, by Andrew MacLeod, 3 Nov 2009 -

“On Halloween we got less than 25% of the historical number of children at our door Trick or Treating. Was it H1N1, the economy, or just a change in attitude towards candy, who knows? But the Olympics (as a symbolic Halloween) are likely to experience the same low numbers for the same reasons: fear of the pandemic, not enough money to pay for the trip, or just a pervasive rancor over the spending on junk, rather than on economic meat and potatoes.”

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“There was that big buzz about people renting out their homes and making a killing on it”

4 November 2009 · Leave a Comment

This from the CBC Tuesday November 3, 2009 3:49 pm -

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“There was that big buzz about people renting out their homes and making a killing on it,” said Vancouver resident Tanya Peters. Peters and Tyler Jones planned to get married in Costa Rica during the Games. Their vision was to rent out their house to Olympic visitors to help pay for the wedding. But so far, they have no takers, and now regret not hopping on the gravy train earlier. “I know several people who rented out and did make a lot of money but they rented out a year ago,” Peters said. It appears the Olympic rental market has slowed to a crawl. Jones and Peters have had their home listed on various websites since July. They have dropped their price to $3,000 for two weeks from $5,000.”

Categories: 13. 2010 Olympics Related · 14. Social Effects of the Boom
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Anecdotes From The Future – VANOC Knows How You’ll Feel Tomorrow

30 October 2009 · Leave a Comment

Okay, this may not be ENTIRELY relevant to Vancouver RE, but anybody who has been following the market will know how important the idea of the 2010 Winter Olympics have become regarding market sentiment and discussion. So perhaps you’ll forgive this somewhat extraordinary post. It does, however, deal with an issue that is of interest to archivists, namely the writing of ‘history’ via before-the-fact press releases. Ron Judd’s ‘Olympic Insider’ column at The Seattle Times, dated October 30, 2009 at 10:45 AM, reveals that VANOC distributed a lengthy press on the evening of October 29, 2009, that contained more detail than one would expect regarding an event that hadn’t yet happened. It was clearly set up for lazy newspeople to paste and cut and quote verbatim.

Here are some of the things VANOC predicted would happen the day after -

“A ceremonial party of First Nations chiefs paddled across the waters of Victoria’s Inner Harbour this morning towards the public welcoming ceremony cradling the flame from the dramatic jutting bow of a traditional canoe.”

“On shore, onlookers waved Canadian flags as they lined the harbourfront and sweeping green lawns of the British Columbia Parliament Buildings craning for their first look at the flame.” [I like the 'craning' bit - ed.]

“What a magical moment,” said John Furlong, VANOC’s Chief Executive Officer.”

“The Canadian prime minister and British Columbia Premier Gordon Campbell were among the dignitaries on hand for the flame’s arrival celebrated with a 50-member honour guard and a flyby of four CF-18 jets from the 409 Tactical Fighter Squadron streaking overhead in a classic box formation. The same jets soared overhead at approximately 10:40 am as VANOC revealed the identity of XXX as the first torchbearer to carry the flame in the Vancouver 2010 Olympic Torch Relay, presented by Coca-Cola and RBC and supported by the Government of Canada. As the audience cheered, he/she ran through the crowd proudly carrying the curved metre-long winter white torch, officially starting the 106-day relay’s 45,000-kilometre journey across Canada.”

It all makes it tempting to ask VANOC how we’ll all feel next year. And if they’ll please reveal what they know of where the RE market is heading.

Categories: 13. 2010 Olympics Related · 15. Misallocation of Resources
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“One of her customers owns 45 condo units that will house journalists covering the Games”

29 October 2009 · Leave a Comment

And after the Olympics, who will these condos house? This passing snippet of an anecdote from an article in the Georgia Straight, October 29, 2009, by Carlito Pablo , regarding a laundry service in downtown Vancouver that fears business will suffer from the Olympics -

“One of her customers owns 45 condo units that will house journalists covering the Games.”

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