WS at vancouvercondo.info 6 July 2011 9:21am -
“I grew up in Vancouver and left in my late twenties looking for better career opportunities and have spent the last 10 years in Los Angeles.
I am not sure what one considers “world class” or if it is even definable. Regardless, Vancouver does not resonate on the minds of people in Southern California (or the US for that matter) any more than other far off NW cities like Portland or Seattle. You’d think Vancouver would be more prominent with the entertainment industry focus or self proclaimed “Hollywood North” moniker. Interestingly that is a term I have never heard used outside of Canada. Although, admittedly I am not in the entertainment industry.
In my view, Vancouver is a pretty city in a remote, backwater area of the world with a large port that ships out natural resources to the rest of the world. World class scenery for sure, with horrendously crappy weather and not really important on the world stage outside of being a conduit to Canada’s great natural resource assets.
When I tell people in the States I am from Vancouver about 66% give me blank stares not knowing what to say and the other 33% say “Oh what a pretty city!” then I proceed to ask them if they visited in July, August or the first two weeks of September.
Lately though – Sadly many people asked me about the riots. but that only lasted a week or two.
Vancouver (and Canada) has a massive inferiority complex.”
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USA is a culture in ruin. I would rather be known to the new world power than the old. If Vancouver isn’t on the map for L.A. citizens that’s just fine with me.
and we have a wu mao dang
Vancouver is the new world power?
To paraphrase Mark Twain (one of innumerable US citizens who we are indebted to for part of our global cultural heritage):
“The reports of the death of the USA are greatly exaggerated.”
The US has started taking its medicine; up here, we haven’t even admitted we’re ill yet.
I mean, not to say we aren’t in deep shit here in Vancouver, but to compare the situations of the two countries is kind of ridiculous. The debt to GDP ratio of the United States is three times that of Canada, and their political system is so dysfunctional that one political party thinks a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head (e.g., unnecessary default) is a greeeeat idea!
Vancouver has the flu, and is not taking its medicine, and will suffer a long and painful illness. America has Stage 4 cancer and thinks chemo is for communists.
L.A is a city of crime, crook and belongs to a BK country. As a Vancouverite, why would I care if this city is in the mind of southern people or not.
Horrendous crappy weather you said? It wouldnt pay my to spend my time in a 105 degree F; and shower out of that digusting water.
Having lived there for 10 years, you have learned the American “Kaboom” way very well.
and another wu mao dang
@get real
no no, i don’t take it personally, i just think you’re confusing the sentiment
i do not go around screaming world class
i see and recognize the bullshit, and it depresses the shit out of me
i live blocks away from skid row – even the UN called it “a humanitarian crisis” – doesn’t anyone remember willy pickton? etc etc.
it’s a disaster. the best place on earth/world class mantra is exactly that – it’s an unflinching, thought terminating cliche because deep down most people maybe aren’t as happy as they are portraying themselves to be – just drive around in traffic and try to do the speed limit – terrifying.
“As a Vancouverite, why would I care if this city is in the mind of southern people or not.”
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Yeah sure! Your previous have cared very much about trying to portray Van as “world class” etc. etc.
This is just inferiority complex talking.
I am a Canadian and there are some very good things about being a Canadian, but there is so much over-emphasis and inferiority complex about almost everything that it is nauseating.
Why is it that qualified immigrants find better jobs in other countries than Canada, including the US? Because in Canada you have to have the “Canadian” experience or training and “we’re different here”. Apart from hockey, tell me one front (sports or otherwise) where Canada holds the top position in the world?? I didn’t think so
the ‘southern people’ description is the sort of pejorative term you hear chinese saying about eachother in china. it’s hilarious. we don’t refer to americans as ‘southern people’ ..
maybe ‘fucking americans…’ once in a while..
i don’t think any country can really lay claim to being the ‘best in the world’ at a whole slew of sports..
everything is always in flux
we are good at hockey, skiing, speed skating, curling – the national soccer and basketball teams are improving every year, and in case you hadn’t noticed, we do churn out quite a few talented baseball players now.
don’t be so negative (and that’s coming from me)
“if you don’t like it, get out, etc. etc.”
keeperofthederp
“we are good at hockey, skiing, speed skating, curling – the national soccer and basketball teams are improving every year, and in case you hadn’t noticed, we do churn out quite a few talented baseball players now.
don’t be so negative (and that’s coming from me)
“if you don’t like it, get out, etc. etc.””
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Nothing personal, dude. A little dose of realism keeps things in right perspective.
It is not a simplistic argument about which county is good in sports. What you are saying is true for any other country. But please do not go around proclaiming “world class”.
The same is true about education, universities, or healthcare/hospitals (recently dubbed by WHO as having the highest infection rates in the developed world…and we all know the Tim Horton’s and many other stories).
Good..yes, but not “world class”. People will laugh at you if you go around shouting “world class”
Also, by same standards, Vancouver is not “world class”. It is a nice pretty city without much industry or economic fundamentals. People who are shouting “world class” from roof tops are making an ass of themselves in front of the rest of the world.
As an expression, I think “southern people’ for Americans is kind of awesome.
Although you’re going to confuse the US South. They wouldn’t want you to confuse them the damned yankees.
curling!
It’s like 75 degrees in LA today.
Where’d you live? The dessert?
My American relatives are pretty much the same way. They would never even consider living in Vancouver after having lived in New York City, Washington, DC and Southern California. It’s just a podunk little town to them, with the obligatory visit to family once in awhile. My cousin spotted this housing bubble a mile away, after having been through all the hype down there. She took this opportunity to sell an inherited property for millions (literally!) and now lives a happy, carefree life travelling the world, seeing all sorts of neat places (note-no city in Canada was on her list of “places to visit”). Ahh..what a life! I’m happy for her, glad at least someone’s profited from this bloody bubble.
Funny, whenever I tell Americans that I’m from Vancouver, they almost always say “Washington?” Referring to the small town of Vancouver, Washington, population 165,000
Maybe if we had an official folk song by Woody Guthrie, we could have that kind of global mind share.
http://www.cityofvancouver.us/all_about_vancouver.asp?menuid=&submenuid=72155
Lived in Cali..nice place if you’re stinking rich…otherwise no thanx. The shallowness and connivery in SoCal and LA is palpable. As is the hurting economy and overly hot-dry weather. I like having seasons! Although where I live in Alberia is admittedly winter 5-6 months of the year, at least I can make some decent $$$ here. Working out in that desert was hell, and I’d be lucky to show up to the job, still have my tools there the next day and then actually get paid for any work I’d have done without some jerk trying to rip me off. Western Canada may seem to not be a world center and trully urbanized place to many Americans, and I say “thank goodness”. Metropolises are over rated.
I can agree that Vancouver has a bit of an inferiority complex, but some (and I stress SOME, so don’t get your panties all in a knot) Americans have a bit of a god complex. The fact that they haven’t heard of Vancouver doesn’t necessarily speak to Vancouver itself, rather the ignorance of (again) some of our neighbours down south. These same people probably can’t name a dozen US states.
I told a lady in Phoenix that I was from Calgary and she thought that was right by Toronto!! I asked her if she had heard of Vancouver and she said she has but has no clue where it is. After spending some time in LA, there are pros/cons to all cities. There are some gorgeous parts to the city – traffic is just plain crazy stupid. But similar to Vancouver, people are leaving california due to high taxes, no jobs, crime,illegal immigration etc
Agree with the post.
I’m in St. Louis right now. Love the city despite the heat. (actually, after living in Canada this winter I’m loving the ridiculous sun & heat.)
People in St. Louis don’t care that people living in other countries haven’t heard about their city or know where their city is on a map.
What I don’t understand is it sounds like Vancouverites don’t just love their city – but that they expect everybody people living elsewhere to admire & want to live in their city. (And be willing to pay ridiculous $$$ to live there.)
Years ago, when I was living and going to university in Chicago, I’d tell people I was from Vancouver and I’d get the same blank stares that WS describes. I was initially a little offended, although not particularly surprised. My response was to tell people that Vancouver was about a three- or four-hour drive north of Seattle. At which point the blank stares would become only slightly less blank. It dawned on me that several of the people I was interacting with on a daily basis, many of them with a number of years of education beyond high school, weren’t altogether that sure where Seattle was, a sizable city in their own country. And I shifted from being secretly a little offended, to secretly laughing to myself. I eventually dealt with the question of where I was from by replying, “Canada.” If someone expressed additional curiosity about which part (they often didn’t), I’d get a little more specific.
I guess when you’re the 600-pound gorilla, you don’t need to know where other places are. Other places need to know where you are. But which would you rather be: educated and informed in a podunk backwater (99% of the world from the perspective of NYC/LA/London/Tokyo/Paris), or an ignoramus at the centre of the universe? And yes, there are also plenty of ignoramuses in podunk backwaters, and educated and informed people in global cities, but you get the idea… We all live in our own minds and our bodies first, before we live in any particular city, or country — or form of housing.
“I guess when you’re the 600-pound gorilla, you don’t need to know where other places are.”
I never expected people to know where Seattle was located when I traveled outside of the Pacific Northwest unless they had an interest in Microsoft/Starbucks/Pearl Jam.
Why do Canadians expect Americans to know so much about Canada? It’s not like many Canadians know f**k all about Mexico, the other major country in North America.
Do Canadians expect Americans to know much about Canada? I guess before I lived in the States, I expected them to know a little more than they typically do, but now having lived there I don’t expect the average American to know anything about Canada — although I’m pleased when they do. But this isn’t to single out Americans. The average Brit knows nothing about Canada either. I take your point about most Canadians knowing very little about Mexico beyond the hackneyed experience of cheap package deals to beaches, lubricated with gassy Corona and bad tequila (as opposed to the good tequila that Mexicans would consider drinking). About as penetrating an insight into Mexican culture as kitschy Mountie- and maple-syrup Canadiana.
I am a little surprised when people don’t have at least a basic understanding of the geography of their own country. I assume it has something to do with the educational system. (And there are certainly those who believe the American government-corporate oligarchy intentionally dumbs down freely available public education so that economically disenfranchised young people will see the military as an attractive option — i.e., economic conscription.)
I think my main point is that power tends to flow one way. Canadians generally know more about the United States and the UK than Americans and Brits know about Canada — the result of historical and present-day power relations, and received culture. If Canadians generally don’t know much about Mexico, it’s probably because of the language differences, and because Mexico doesn’t have any more power than Canada does. As a nation, knowing more about Mexico hasn’t particularly impacted our survival and economic well-being. It will be interesting to see if urban Canadian knowledge of China, beyond the typical basket of clichés, significantly increases in the decades ahead. Obviously Canadians like ‘Helicopter’ Cam Good are already turning better-than-average knowledge to their person financial advantage.
A certain degree of egocentrism, ethnocentrism, and various other sorts of centrisms are probably inherent to most of us, which is why getting out and about a bit is a good idea. To get back to the initial contentious issue of Vancouver’s status on the world stage, or the status of any place, I’m not sure anyone sitting with blinkers on in their hometown is ever going to say anything credible. And if they’ve gotten drunk on the Kool-Aid and overextended themselves into real estate, they could be setting themselves up for a nasty hangover.
“What I don’t understand is it sounds like Vancouverites don’t just love their city – but that they expect everybody people living elsewhere to admire & want to live in their city. (And be willing to pay ridiculous $$$ to live there.)”
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Well put.
I call it the fear and greed principle.
Vancouverites with poor jobs feeding huge mortgages (60-70% post tax per month, which is insane!) and wanting the rest of the world to flock to this “world class” city to pump up the RE prices. This is greed.
Most people will be wiped out financially if the RE drops by even 10%. That’s the fear.
yes
that is exactly what’s probably going on
hence the gvrd growth plan of 6 million by .. 2030? insane
i had a drive up burke mountain today, they have clear cut huge swaths of the forest and put up the most wretchedly depressing townhomes and mc mansions, the trees are gone – no yards, etc etc. the first of … 8000? homes they are building. no going back..