“What does New York have that British Columbia does not?” [Let me count the ways...]

tdma800 at RE Talks 9 Jun 2011 7:59pm“If you don’t want to see live theatre, and don’t like to work in the financial industry, what does New York have that British Columbia does not?”

Wow, where do you start?
Reminiscent of “What have the Romans done for us?”….
We thought we’d pop this up as a free educational service to tdma800 and others who have never left the 604 area code.

Readers thoughts?

[Why exactly is this relevant to a discussion of Vancouver RE? Well, next time you get into a bidding war for a Yaletown Condo, remember that one (all?) of your competitors may be thinking "After all, what does New York have that Vancouver does not?" as he pumps that bid 33% over ask.]

We’ll start us off below by listing some fairly standard stuff about NYC itself; we’re sure to be missing lots. (That’s something else about NYC, even its fans have only scratched the surface…)
In no particular order:

1. MoMA
2. Strand Books
3. The Cloisters
4. The Chrysler Building
5. The Village Vanguard (and how many dozen other jazz clubs?)
6. The Met
7. The American Museum of Natural History
8. Washington Square
9. Staten Island Ferry
10. The NYC Marathon
11. Positive Cash Flow Residential Real-Estate (made that up; much closer, anyway -ed.)
12. The Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade
13. The Yankees, The Mets
14. Madison Square Gardens
15. Central Park
16. Chelsea (20 streets of private art galleries)
17. Carnegie Hall
18. The Subway
19. The Lincoln Centre
20. Times Square
21. Actual Newspapers
22. The Whitney
23. Actual Industry (deserves own list)
24. 48 Million tourists per annum
25. The US Tennis Open
26. The Knicks
27. $1.3 Trillion GDP (NYC metro alone)
28. The Guggenheim
29. The Fifth Avenue Mile
30. The Chelsea Hotel
31. The Frick
32. A setting for lots of books
33. Fashion
34. The High Line
35. Eraserhead, recent midnight show
36. Chocolate exports of $250M p.a.
37. Food manufacturing $5B p.a.
38. Bowery Ballroom
39. Joe’s Pub
40. Public Transit Nostalgia
41. The Zoo
42…. etc etc etc etc
[please post own examples: 'Debate'?; 'Diverse opinions'?; ??]

[PS: We LOVE Vancouver, it's a very fine city, that's why we live here, but it simply ain't NYC.]

108 responses to ““What does New York have that British Columbia does not?” [Let me count the ways...]

  1. Tdma is a troll. Do not feed it.

  2. You can’t actually put the most compelling thing about New York into words. You can only go there and feel it. The buzz, the energy, the magic of that place is indescribable. You couldn’t set out to create a city like that, it just happens when the right people are drawn to the right place at the right time. I’d rather live in Vancouver than New York but it’s specifically because I couldn’t handle the pace of New York. If I was 15 years younger and I was buying a condo in Vancouver when I could have one in New York I would be missing the opportunity of a lifetime.

    • it took 400 years, vancouver still has another 280 to go!

      but by that time, with these surrey townhouses i’m holding, i’ll be rich!

    • MBA-> great points.

    • I agree MBA, I have literally been there 14 times over the years and it’s exhilarating everytime! It’s been 2 years since I was there last and can’t wait to get back soon. VREA …. NYC also has SOHO and Greenwich Village and amazing food everywhere. And well there’s also Broadway…we don’t have that. Though I wll always love Van, there are some great cities out there but none quite like NYC.

  3. NYC is a large city with all the attached economic, cultural, and social resources. Vancouver is a regional city and sort of small. I like regional cities, but they still feel small to me.

    Somebody told me that UBC is the largest employer in Vancouver. Is that true? If so, how can this this be a serious question? Columbia and NYC combined are not the largest employers in NYC. I think Vancouverites really believe this “world class city” b.s.

    • It’s true.

    • “Columbia and NYC combined…” Do you mean Columbia and NYU combined?

      • yeah – NYU. whoops. Actually, I’d guess that New York University, Columbia, the New School, Bernard, Yeshevia & the City University of NY combined are not the largest employer in NYC.

    • i don’t think vreaa is asking the question out of seriousness,

      we have people all around us who have drank this kool-aid – it’s hilarious.

      my mother always says “vancouver has always been a backwater”

      we were a resources town when the city was incorporated – the salmon runs in the fraser river were estimated at over 100 million annually, it took over 20 years to log the 1000 year old growth forest that covered vancouver and the north shore – there were mines everywhere – today, the salmon are gone, none of the streams on vancouver proper exist anymore, and if they do, there’s no salmon spawning going on – apparently one used to be able to fish in the streams around 33rd ave, etc. – that you could just walk down to your backyard with a net and scoop them up. how cool would that be?

      now we’ve closed the mines and have decided to ship tar sands oil through a pipeline that will bi-sect the sensitive eco system and risk spills off our shores (to feed china, of course – how glorious!) and of course, we don’t even mill our logs here anymore, we ship them off raw.

      so yeah, tourism, best place on earth (out of necessity) etc etc.

      one more thing NYC – STANLEY CUP WINS

      • Wow there was streams on 33rd Ave?? Where and how long ago?

        Yeah that would be really cool to be able to fish in your backyard even though I’m not sure how that would fit/work and be maintained in a city like Vancouver if it managed to survive.

        As for shipping raw logs out, I think that is one of the biggest trageties in BC. Given the relatively lack of wood in so many parts of the world, we should be processing our logs in BC and export finished products only. I guess with American companies dominating in forestry here, shipping raw log out is just much easier.

  4. Actual industry/$1.3 trillion GDP is the real answer here. A lot of the rest of this stuff is “unique” but other major world-class megacities which have held that status for over a century have equivalents. I’m thinking of London and Tokyo since there aren’t too many others, maybe Paris or Beijing.

    Portland might be a better comparison for Vancouver. It’s a really nice city with a lot of charm and not much in the way of solid economic activity. I understand real estate there is much cheaper than in Van.

    • Agree with Kano that Portland might be a better comparison for Vancouver. I once lived in NYC for a few years. Seriously, Vancouver is no comparison to NYC. In the end, I still prefer living in Vancouver.

      • first thing i thought when i saw portland was the same thing, though vancouver is more aesthetically pleasing (if you don’t look too close)

        seattle is too big to compare, really – it’s got a much more typical ‘big city’ core feel to it.

  5. Something else in NYC: the United Nations

    • ^^^^ the comments on the above blog are hilarious, such as:

      “Please Kim pay Vancouver Real Estate = Drug Money to quit posting the truth about our province. The Bayshore said it is running at 50% vacancy rate since his posts have gone around the world. White Spot said it hasn’t seen a tourist since the Olympics. Remember our old slogan Supernatural BC? Well we had to quit using the word supernatural because of all the ghostly apparitions and feet washing ashore from all the killings. We tried calling it the best place on earth. But. anybody that lives here knows that’s a lie. Besides the rampant crime and gruesome murders we have the worst weather in the world. The constant rain and grey accounts for more than 2,200 suicides a year in BC. Of course these stats aren’t reported or our tourist industry would go in the crapper. Kim please help us with a new slogan. Something like:

      BC the Ciudad Juarez of the North…”

      been watching this go on for so long, wish the kids would get a clue, but apparently kayaking and skiing with rusty is just not enough for them.

  6. As Billy Joel once said, “I’m in a New York state of mind.” New York inspires the lyrics of some great songs, it’s the set of A LOT of movies, TV shows. Not sure Sex and the City would be quite the same if Carrie was shopping at Aritizia and drinking Cosmos on Granville Street.
    Their subway system can actually take you ANYWHERE in the city.
    New York is home of Donald Trump! Wonder why Vancouver doesn’t have its own Trump Tower? Hasn’t he heard of us yet?
    In New York you can get a 6-inch-thick pastrami sandwich.
    However, Stanley Park is 1000 acres and Central Park is a piddly 843! And looking at this description of a cover that appeared on the New Yorker, we apparently have a lot in common with them in terms of self image. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Yorker#.22View_of_the_World.22_cover

  7. wow, where do I start? NY has noise, traffic, cement jungle, hot humid summers and blistering cold winters. You cannot Kayak out your back door, nor can you ski. NY also has a murder rate 2.5x Vancouver and it’s poverty rate is 50% higher. Would you also like to discuss the # of NY citizens without medical insurance? Nice place to visit, but do you really want to live there?

  8. In terms of winters, NYC is pretty mild. Especially for Canadians, who know winter.

    Real Bagels. Good Bagels at Jewish Bakeries. yum. :)

  9. Don’t forget direct flights everywhere, i fly a lot and flying in and out of Vancouver is a hassle compared to flying in and out NYC, the airlines don’t treat Vancouver like its the most important city in the planet they way that Real Estate people like to think of Vancouver. So Put three airports and direct flights from as a + for NYC.

    • You mean the airlines haven’t figured out that Vancouver is the BestPlacetoLive ™ and a World Class City?

  10. Vancouver is a city for people that don’t like cities – not that there’s anything wrong with that

  11. Froogle Scott

    New York is a world-class or global city. Vancouver is not, and may never be. Too many other cities with too much of a head start. For those who stay here, or for those who come here, Vancouver is a good-enough city in a world-class natural setting, one that interpenetrates the built environment with its urban forest and lush gardens. I suspect that for many Vancouverites, long-standing or newly arrived, it’s not about the dense urban, cultural, and social offerings, the excitement and stimulation, of places like New York, London, or Hong Kong. In many cases, it may be about avoiding or escaping those things, in aggregate, while still having the creature comforts and amenities of a big city. In some ways, Vancouver seems to be aspiring to become an anti-city, at least in the core, ridding itself of industry, deciding against freeways, and building residential rather than office towers. A view in New York is a view of the city. A view in Vancouver is a view of the mountains and ocean, in other words, not of the city. The city is not primary, it’s secondary.

    A number of years ago, William S. Burroughs made an appearance in Vancouver and someone associated with the UBC student radio station, hoping to record a radio station plug, stuck a microphone in his face. Although Burroughs didn’t live that much of his life in New York, he is certainly associated with the culture and literature of the city, and with the louche underbelly many find attractive. Burroughs’ response to the student? “I don’t know what I’m supposed to say, but what I will say is that the thing that impresses me about Vancouver is the vegetation.”

    In an increasingly over-stimulated, overcrowded world, with a degrading environment, it remains to be seen if a large anti-city may permanently command a higher price than a large traditional city.

    • Nice, Froogle, thanks… “an anti-city”.
      Explains the bicycle lanes.
      We’ve always been impressed that Vancouver seems best suited to people who look away from the city; to the mountains, to the islands; and who strive to escape there whenever possible. We’ve previously mentioned the surreal experience of an ‘empty’ Vancouver on long weekends, when everybody else is away.

      The Burroughs quote is new to us; very interesting.
      (The vegetation is nice.)

  12. None of the things you listed is high or even important to the people who says Vancouver is a world class city. What is important to people who thinks Vancouver is a world class city is that you can ski, golf, and hit the beach in the same day. You can eat fresh seafood at restaurants at the same or higher price than NY. We have an iron chef in the city which makes our culinary scene world class. Lastly everyone in the world wants to come to Vancouver. There is a billion Chinese, a billion Indians, a few millions Europeans aristocrats banging on the door to get in! Not so with NY.

    • “you can ski, golf, and hit the beach in the same day.” Yup, you can go skiing on wet snow in the morning and enjoy the drizzle on the beach in the afternoon. Winning!

      • so true

        anyone who skis (well) knows that the wet snow we have is just garbage.

        how many mornings have i driven up to cypress after 30cm over night, only to get there at 8am and by 9am be skiing in the middle of a monsoon.

        that’s one way to destroy your knees – ski in wet snow.

    • No, no one wants to go to New York. It has clearly jumped the shark. For real.

      “you can ski, golf, and hit the beach in the same day”

      Technically, yes. If you want to ski in slush, golf in the rain and wear a sweater to the beach. Sounds lovely.

      Not to mention that you can do all those in lots of places in BC, Washington and Oregon. Kelowna, Vernon, Kamloops, Bend etc etc.

    • Any city where residents wonder if it’s “World Class”, by definition, isn’t…

      This hand-wringing reminds me so much of Toronto’s preoccupation with being “World Class” in the early ’90s…

      • surely NY doesn’t have such a concentrated area of poverty like East Hastings

        i know areas of the bronx/harlem/hell’s kitchen can be sketchy but my knowledge is limited to the 50s/60s/70s as i read through kerouac and burroughs and the beat era (as froogle mentioned above – big fan)

        times square used to be littered with porn stores and heroin dealers, until Guliani came and the cops started sodomizing immigrants with broomsticks. (no joke)

      • CanuckDownUnder

        I once saw Morrissey play in Harlem. You can only imagine the looks a stream of pasty white Moz fans received coming in and out of the Apollo…

      • that’s hilarious – my older sister would be jealous – she broke her ankle a while back because she was so excited after a Bauhaus concert in New York City that she didn’t see the pothole in the road and stepped right into it.

        what did Henry Rollins say about England’s weather/malaise? “THIS IS WHY MORRISEY HAPPENS” haha

      • CanuckDownUnder

        I remember when I asked the (African-American) guy working at the metro what train I needed to get to Harlem.

        He just gave me the funniest look and asked “Are you serious?” Good times.

      • hehe

        my brother went to detroit about 3 years ago – came back with similar stories, good folk telling him to stay away from certain streets, he’s 6’4 and slender, so he stuck out like a sore thumb. it’s amazing some of the buildings, how HUGE they are, and they are full of squatters etc. terrifying.

    • “There is a billion Chinese, a billion Indians, a few millions Europeans aristocrats banging on the door to get in! Not so with NY.”

      Confused by this. Do people really think immigrants aren’t trying to come to the US? Or that NYC isn’t filled with immigrants?

      Don’t get me wrong, I love the Pacific Northwest. I’d choose to live in either Portland or Seattle over NYC. But I’ve never thought Seattle or Portland were as “world class” as NYC or denied that you can get all of the same “things” in Seattle or Portland. NYC obviously has a lot of sh*t going on that a smaller city cannot handle.

      In the same way, I’d never expect Seattle to be Paris or London. It’s just not on the same scale. I wonder if the housing crazyness has caused a bit of insanity.

      • geography lesson #1…NY is not on the Pacific rim, asia is. Why would Chinese or any other asian immigrant want New York?

      • you’re still an idiot

      • because NYC doesn’t have any Asian immigrants.

        (hitting head against wall)

        Actually, there’s a great private bus company run out of Chinatown (NYC) to WA DC. It’s a great way to travel between the two cities very cheap. (For about 15$ a few years ago.)

      • ok – because (1) I can’t resist and (2) I’m really confused here. Is Rusty trolling or does he really not know that Asians immigrate in very large numbers to NYC? (and other cities, such as LA)

        Is this ignorance about other cities a symptom of the Vancouver housing “center of the world” propaganda machine? Or does he know the facts already, and he’s just pulling our chain?

        From the wikipedia entry on New York City:

        “…15% of all Korean Americans;[200][201] the largest African American community of any city in the country; and including 6 Chinatowns in the city proper,[202] comprised as of 2008 a population of 659,596 overseas Chinese,[203] the largest outside of Asia. New York City alone, according to the 2010 Census, has now become home to more than one million Asian Americans, greater than the combined totals of San Francisco and Los Angeles.”

      • rusty is obviously an idiot

        not everyone in vancouver is as stupid as him

        but i’ll let you guess which segment of the local population can be particularly ‘aloof’ about the history, demographics, culture and geography of this large amorphous blob we call ‘the west’

      • “Is this ignorance about other cities a symptom of the Vancouver housing “center of the world” propaganda machine?”

        Yes. And the ignorants are proud of it.

  13. The more ‘world class’ Vancouver thinks it is, the more of it’s once beautiful landscape is being destroyed for further development. Great quote from William S. Burroughs; how long will it be before Vancouverites regard that quote with incredulity? For many, the landscape was the main reason why they moved to Metro Vancouver – it’s the main reason we’re still here, too.

    Aside from the diminishing beautiful landscape, for us it’s getting harder to be confident of a future here. Thank goodness there are people out there striving to improve Vancouver from a business perspective; to take the emphasis away from RE speculation and create more diversity and balance. No doubt it will be a slow, painful process.

    We had a few short breaks in NYC before we moved here in 2005. We love all NYC has to offer (great list btw), but after about four days we needed to reboot as we’re just not used to that intensity. After nearly 6 years here in Metro Vancouver, the next time we visit NYC it will seem even more intense.

    One more NYC gem you may not know about is The Skyscraper Museum in Battery Park City (which we hope to visit next time). Quote from their home page: “Located in New York City, the world’s first and foremost vertical metropolis, The Skyscraper Museum celebrates the City’s rich architectural heritage and examines the historical forces and individuals that have shaped its successive skylines. Through exhibitions, programs and publications, the Museum explores tall buildings as objects of design, products of technology, sites of construction, investments in real estate, and places of work and residence.”

    It’s all about density…

  14. this is an easy one.
    If there’s a better place for you than Vancouver move there.

    • For many people “better” is not a simple decision. For example, I have family and friends in Vancouver, but I could get a much higher salary and much lower cost of living in many other cities that I would actually like living in.

      Also, for many people, moving to the US is not easy due to visa difficulties. So some of these better places are off-limits.

    • But Vancouver is THE Best Place On Earth!™ That means that the “correct” population should be about 7 billion otherwise all those people who don’t live here have made the wrong choice, right?

      By Rusty’s logic, the best place for anyone is wherever the person is at that given moment, because if it wasn’t, the person would not be there. Really brilliant logic.

    • ahhah you’re an asshole

    • eyesthebye lover

      You really are eyesthebye. Thanks for coming out.

  15. it still comes down to “better place”. If the best place for your is close to family and friends rather than what some other place has to offer (including affordable housing) then you stay here…and hopefully stop whining about your lack of choices

    • Uhm how does that justify the high prices we have here aside from that people here are RE obsessed to the point of crazy?

    • u mad??

    • Don’t worry, I have plenty of choices. My point was that there are conflicting objectives — it’s not always clear what the “better place” is.

      I’m born and raised in Vancouver and I now teach at UBC. Ideally I would like to stay in Vancouver and help in the education of our local students, while also living near friends and family. But the reality is that by moving the US (even nice, nearby places like Seattle) I can increase my salary by at least 50% and decrease my housing cost by a factor of at least 4.

      So my choice is between contributing to our society by educating our youth, while barely scraping by financially, or becoming another brain drain statistic and living like a king in the US.

  16. How is everyone enjoying the hot summer weather? Anyone reading this on a beach? I love July!

    • i’ve got my july sweater on

      and my july space heater going!

    • lol… You Gotta Be Here™ because it’s the Best Place on Earth™. Well, right now, I wish I was on a beach in the south of France…

  17. So we agree that Vancouver and New York offer very different value propositions, just as London Ontario offers a different value proposition too.

    The stress I see is where two similar families, one 5 years younger, is now at a distinct disadvantage. This isn’t fair, but neither is life I guess.

    • it is fair,

      don’t you know the speculators are our betters?

      • “the speculators are our betters”

        Speculators on Canadian real estate are our betters. Speculators on American real estate are our inferiors. It’s obvious if you think about it a bit: successful speculators are successful, unsuccessful speculators are unsuccessful.

      • well, successful speculators are exactly that, until they aren’t :)

      • Well speculators are potentially signals of changing underlying fundamentals; but then again there are short-selling constraints on the housing market that prevent it from accumulating speculators in the reverse direction.

  18. sounds like more than a few poster here want to move to new york. Great city, unless you have children. I’d put NY as near the bottom of the list of places I’d want to move my family to.

    • hey chode,

      young people in vancouver cannot afford to raise families anymore – ask my, my 3 siblings, all my friends. the only peer i have that has a ‘large’ family (3 sons) is a firefighter and his wife runs a daycare out of the house. we’re 30 years old, at the turn of the century my great grandfather had ** 10 ** kids before he was 35.

      this country is doing it wrong.

      • at the turn of the century my great grandfather had ** 10 ** kids before he was 35.
        I suppose this was a good thing, right ? have you ever googled “overpopulation” ?

      • so 1.35 billion chinese is ok

        but a scottish family of 12 in 1900 in manitoba is not?

        you’re an utter dipshit

        wu mao dang

    • AWESOME

      they’re going to have to burn that house down.

    • Thanks, it’s an excellent post…. Price:Rent ratio calculations and example showing a house that is overvalued in current market by a factor of three.
      Portends price drops in the 66% range for some properties … We’d agree.

  19. CanuckDownUnder | 7 July 2011 at 8:16 pm |

    “I remember when I asked the (African-American) guy working at the metro what train I needed to get to Harlem”.

    not so thinly veiled racism.

    • Not sure what Rusty is talking about —

      but anyways – another unique thing about NYC: The Apollo Theatre. The Harlem Renaissance. It’s role in the invention of ragtime and jazz.

      • my apologies for rusty

        one of the fun games we play in vancouver is ‘who can label the other person a bigot’ because everyone is so goddamn sensitive here, and it’s a convenient way for people to smear others with opinions different from what they want people to hear.

        rusty, you’re an idiot.

    • CanuckDownUnder

      Sigh.

      Get back to your grow-op rusty. Sorry, I meant pharmacy.

    • THAT IS NOT RACISM

      you’re an intellectual coward

  20. As a real estate agent in a suburb not too far away from Vancouver, I find this comparison very odd. New York and Vancouver are nothing alike, nor would I want it to be alike. And quite frankly, for all of our hubbub about heated markets and unaffordability, there still really isn’t any comparison when comparing real estate between Vancouver and NYC. New York’s price per square meter is approaching the $15,000 USD mark. Our $6,000 p/sq.m. prices are insane, but we don’t compare (to compare apples to apples, I’ll check tomorrow what the avg. 120 sq.m. condo actually is).

    Personally, I’d never want to live in New York, but I also wouldn’t want to live in 8 of the 10 most expensive real estate markets in the world (Moscow, London, Tokyo, Hong Kong, NYC, Singapore, Rome, and Mumbai); granted, I’d certainly take No. 1 (Monte Carlo) and No. 7 (Paris). But maybe it is true about Vancouver being for people who hate cities. I don’t hate cities, but I’m also born and raised in the suburbs. Which city should we really compare Vancouver to? Copenhagen? Helsinki? Dublin? Amsterdam?

    • ..atlantis??

    • NBAgent -> Here’s a post discussing NYC/Vancouver comparisons:
      ‘Vancouverite View Of New York City Apartments’
      17 Oct 2010
      http://wp.me/pcq1o-1ri

      • Anecdotes are great for some things, but they don’t tell the whole story – nor does a random list of one area. I did an “apples to apples” check of all of Vancouver (NOT suburbs/Burnaby, etc.). New York real estate is $14,898 p.sq.m. Vancouver real estate is $8,391. p.sq.m.

        I am sure I could take a selected sale list and handful of anecdotes and make it seem like Langley is more expensive than Vancouver (okay, at $1,863 p.sq.m., that might be stretch).

      • Uhm…Manhatten is technical the equivalent of Vancouver downtown and is about the size of Vancovuer downtown? So did you compare the average price of just Manhatten or all 5 boroughs of NY? I watched some episodes of Selling NY and Real Housewives of NY and there house prices in good parts of Manhatten is not 2x the price of equivalent Vancouver downtown prices.

  21. Having spent equal time in both places, I’d go with “vibe” as difference number one. Vancouver always feels like it is trying too hard. That said, if I was handed a residence in either place, I’d pick Vancouver. I’m also too old for that NYC level of hustle.

    NYC proper has 4 times the GDP of ALL of BC. If you slow down in NYC you get run over, although you may be too distracted by the glitz to notice.

  22. Sorry about the lateness in joining the conversation.
    Lately I have started to hate Vancouver. The people here are snobby, clique-y, and yet we pride ourselves as ‘nicest’ canadians. Follow that with weather that doesn’t make sense. It’s freaky July and I have yet to put on shorts more than 5 times still. Drinks at the bar are expensive, a night out is expensive. I don’t even want to bring up RE because it ridiculous.
    Came back NYC two weeks ago … Stayed at lower manhattan near soho east village etc, loved it!! Rent may be expensive but shopping is cheaper, selection is better, food is cheap, and tons of free museums and festivals. We hardly have a museum that I would be proud to bring a visitor to!!
    Also been to London, loved it!! So much to see and do. People are nice, dressed nice, no sweatpants in sight.
    Lived in Singapore for 12 years. Great school system for kids, more trees and cleaner than Vancouver. Govt is a bit strict but that’s because they need a control over such a small nation. Not to mention being a worldclass hub for Asia.
    I would pay to live in all of the above cities rather than Vancouver. If it wasn’t for family, I would move permanently. Now I’m currently looking for job overseas.
    Vancouver is no longer a place I love.

  23. Oh another question: what do u say when visitors/tourists ask u what they should do or where they should go while in Vancouver? My mind draws a blank.

  24. “Isn’t it possible that as power centers shift in the world, that as China perhaps surpasses the United States as the world’s economic behemoth, and other Asian countries continue to increase in economic clout, Vancouver, because of its geographic location and immigration patterns, might be hugely affected to the upside — that it could become an increasingly important player as the 21st century progresses? Manhattan was once an island covered with trees. Expo 86 and the 2010 Olympics notwithstanding, Vancouver is not yet a major player, as much as some locals fervently wish it were. But will that always be the case”?
    http://ohomen171s-journey-through-life.blogspot.com/2010/02/vancouver-one-of-last-healthy-real.html

    • it’s a case of the devil-you-know for canadians – we’ll always go with the americans, no matter how insane they get.

      if you like china so much, just look outside your window, mr. wu mao dang

    • Froogle Scott

      I wrote that at the end of Part 3 of my series, available in its entirety here on VREAA. You can access the series from the sidebar at the top of this page (The Froogle Scott Chronicles). Nicer layout than the funky aggregator/ripoff blog run by ‘ohomen171’.

      While I think there’s still merit in what I said back in Feb 2010, my thinking on the matter appears to have evolved, judging by my comment above. I’ll be updating my musings in Part 10, later this summer.

      As a general reply to everyone posting comments this week on the Vancouver/New York/Great City threads, I’ve found a lot of what you’ve had to say interesting, and helpful as I try to get my head around what the escalation in real estate prices has been doing to Vancouver society.

  25. The New York State Department of Health has issued an air quality alert in Westchester County beginning at 11 a.m. today, according to the National Weather Service.
    http://pelham.patch.com/articles/update-air-quality-alert-continues-through-friday

    The city is at risk of having a double-digit increase in its murder rate, troubling news for officials who have relied on favorable crime statistics that often defy national trends to tout New York as the safest big city in America.
    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYC-Murder-up-Double-Digi-107603673.html

    I totally agree that there’s a bubble in YVR, but to compare it to NY is just ridiculous, Portland is a more adequate choice

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