Business In Vancouver – “To take a job in Vancouver, Calgary-based senior information management consultant Joey Roa would have to give up living in a 3,000-square-foot house just outside the downtown core.”

Anecdote from Business in Vancouver article ‘Home truths hurt talent search’, as cited in Macleans 1 June 2011 -
“To take a job in Vancouver, Calgary-based senior information management consultant Joey Roa would have to give up living in a 3,000-square-foot house just outside the downtown core. He’d have to give up his 20-minute on-foot commute for what he figures would be “a considerable drive, at best.” He’d have to start paying provincial tax. He’d see his current $1.15-per-litre gas prices rise to what he terms Vancouver’s “insane” pump prices. And with Vancouver’s salaries failing to keep pace with Calgary’s oil-rich pay scale, he’d likely be looking at a pay cut to boot.”
Needless to say Roa is staying put in Calgary. He’s turned down several offers from head hunters in Vancouver, and the BIV story includes recruiters who are having trouble luring educated and experienced workers to the city. In short, Vancouver is increasingly being seen as a no-go zone for top talent.


Another wave of articles in the MSM this week using strong language: “Outrageous house prices” (Maclean’s), “No-go zone” (BIV), real estate a “culprit” (Maclean’s), the “Vancouver Virus” (Maclean’s), “if house prices crashed” (Maclean’s).
We expect these phrases to ‘prime the pumps’. People hear these words but they don’t hear them; they don’t act on them. Buyers keep buying and prospective sellers sit on their hands. The surging prices and the stories of foreign buyers stalking the city overshadow any doubts that prices will continue upwards. Then, fairly suddenly, prices aren’t going up, then they’re dropping, and then these phrases will return to consciousness. Speculative buyers will disappear and speculative owners, including those who don’t even know they’re speculators, will bring their product to market. – vreaa

19 Responses to Business In Vancouver – “To take a job in Vancouver, Calgary-based senior information management consultant Joey Roa would have to give up living in a 3,000-square-foot house just outside the downtown core.”

  1. Prime the pumps. Are these articles a lament or a concerted effort to set the stage for political action?

    High prices in Vancouver are nothing new. Free markets are good and all, until even bigger fish come along, apparently.

    • Good point.
      Government must be experiencing some kind of rising realization.

    • And we’ve had recent examples of folk’s previously squarely in ‘vested interests’ camps changing position:
      Peter Ladner (concern re social factors; children can’t buy)
      Andrew Hassman (who is getting the sales?)
      Tsur Sommerville (action so obviously mania hard for economist to ignore with straight face)

  2. midnite toker

    Are salaries really that much higher in Calgary? I work for a large company in IT/Telecom and would be suprised if they pay the folks in Alberta more than BC or Ontario for the same job title.

    • average salaries are pretty high — it depends if you are going by median vs. average but it’s around 80K per household.

  3. Nurses in Alberta make about $10/hour more than B.C.(I could only find the salary scale in pay per hour), Teachers make about 8-14K more per year than teachers in B.C. I also know of doctors that make much more than in B.C. We too live close to the university here. Public transit is good. It is a 15-20 minute drive to downtown in rush hour. Biking to work is easy with bike paths etc along the rivers.

    • it’s the premium the Alberta government needs to pay people to live in that shit hole

      • u mad?

      • No need to be such a chauvinist…

      • I dunno, I like Calgary better than Vancouver.

        The climate thing is a wash for me. I like the winters better in Calgary: I like real winter, I like the sun and big skies. On the other hand I also like flowers, of which there are two months less of in Calgary. Having said that, its now June and my back garden is exploding. I like the mountains near Calgary better — far more scenic, far more accessible. I like the rock better in Vancouver — as a climber, I appreciate the security of granite over limestone. Skiing’s about the same — the snow is safer in the Coast mountains, but the accessibility in the Rockies is so much better than the coast so there’s just so much more to explore. So for climbing and skiing, I’ll give the recreational nod to Calgary / Rockies. But there’s no ocean in Alberta, advantage Vancouver.

        Traffic’s better in Calgary. Commute times are shorter. Housing is expensive, but far more reasonable. Rents are cheaper. There are beautiful, quiet, treed neighbourhoods within easy walk of the downtown, near rivers and parks that are very reasonable to live in — rent or own. All in all, Calgary — as a city — is kind of quiet and dull. But Vancouver, is not a great “city city” either. All in all, for the same income, I’d say the quality of life is actually better in Calgary.

        Of course, the incomes aren’t the same. Perhaps as a result, I find the people far less materialistic and obsessed with ‘keeping up’. Contrary to its reputation, when I lived there, Vancouver and the lower mainland seemed to be filled with stressed, uptight people.

        Calgary is a nice place. Its far more laid back and relaxed than the typical outsider’s perspective of it. Far from being a ‘shithole’, its one of the favorite places I’ve lived in or visited.

      • what an asshole! definitely stupid money! do the opposite of what every this moron says for sure.

  4. Rusty, comments like that are probably from a guy who has never been to Alberta. You are probably jealous because you are a lifetime renter.

  5. meanwhile, the circle that I know continue to move on with their lives. They buy detached homes, start having kids, take promotions at their jobs, etc. These are young people in their 30′s who are born and raised Vancouverites, unlike most of the posters here.
    Posters here live on the fringes of our society. The people I know are as disconnected with posters here as they are the addicts at Main/Hastings. You people are basically shadows to us.

    • hahaha
      Rusty, you probably come into contact with some of the posters here daily and don’t even know it. Pathetic attempt to declare all opinion here irrelevant.

      Tell us some specific stories about “young people in their 30′s” who are “buy(ing) detached homes”.

    • Vancouver Real estate bears are generally accredited professionals who have the ability to think critically, avoid running with the lemmings and are able to think analytically. If that’s your definition of “fringe”, then count me in.

      • Vancouver real estate bears (aka renters) are transient. If you complain about born and bred locals not being so friendly it’s because they know you’re only here temporarily. Try putting down some roots and tell me if you find this city friendlier – you’ll be surprised

  6. Ralph Kramden

    Calgary is not everyone’s cup of tea – but I love the people and the energy.
    The poster that had to resort to cheap shots are wasting vreaa’s time and ours.

    People’s lives are being turned upside down and with some of the numbers I have been running (M3 from shadowstats.com) are making me realize that we are in for a Titanic storm.

    Housing is not where you want all your assets.

    Vancouver has become an even more stratefied city over the past 20 years.
    Personally I think driving a zillion dollar car around and rubbing it in people’s faces, will have consequences.

    History repeats or at least rhymes – and we have a problem and the Society we have in place is dog eat dog, or spending money they don’t have from a HELOC that will eat them alive when the rates go up.

    DOH.

  7. The only people in their 30′s who are buying are taking on staggeringly large mortgages that will take them into retirement before the property is ever paid off. I hope for them that the market does not turn, even by 10% or that interest rates rise because they will be underwater and the knock on effect for the Vancouver economy will be dire. CMHC and bank lending policies are hugely irresponsible and are fueling the unsatiable appetite for property. I’d love to hear Rusty’s specific examples of these people in their 30′s because the ones I know are leveraged up to their eyeballs and are reconsidering the wisdom of home ownership in Vancouver. Specific example, friends of ours, a policeman and his wife in Ambleside recently sold their house of 8 years and are moving further away. The bills to maintain the 50 yr old property and raise 3 young kids have put them in so much debt that they couldn’t hold on.

    • buyers cannot take on more debt than they have the ability to pay – it’s called “mortgage qualifying” – and Canadian rules are quite strict.

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