The Froogle Scott Chronicles: Mortgaging Our Souls In Paradise – Part 9b: So You Want to Buy a House and Fix It Up? Thirty Suggestions for Survival

Part 9b: So You Want to Buy a House and Fix It Up? Thirty Suggestions for Survival

[30 suggestions over 10 sub parts, starting with Part 9a. -ed.]

4. Don’t mistake a tear-down for a fixer upper

As much as I dislike the notion of tearing down any house and sending its materials to a landfill, in some circumstances tearing down may make better financial sense than fixing up. Finances aside, many home buyers, with tastes and expectations formed by our culture of affluence, will judge the more mundane among older Vancouver houses completely inadequate by modern standards.

The line between a tear-down and a fixer upper is hazy, and changes with the market. In a rising market flush with ballooning home equity, speculation of various types, and large profits realized through sales, tearing down and building new becomes a more attractive and financially feasible option. In a falling market with shrinking home equity, speculation at a low ebb, people selling at a loss, and money generally tight, people are much more likely to mend and make do. But regardless of the particular market conditions, different people have different amounts of money they can bring to bear, different goals and aspirations, and different notions of what a house should be. One person’s tear-down can be another person’s fixer upper.

The key point is not to mistake what the majority of people would consider a tear-down for a fixer upper. If you plan to live in a house for twenty years, it may not matter, but resale considerations should factor in to most people’s purchase and renovation decisions. Pouring a lot of money into renovating a house of questionable value — for example, one with bad lines, a really small footprint, or small rooms that are hard to enlarge — is not a good use of renovation dollars. You may never get your money back out, or even a portion of it. And think how galling it would be to invest a lot of time, sweat, and money into renovating a place, only to have it torn down by the next buyer. I recently heard about just this scenario in a North Vancouver neighbourhood.

5. Don’t renovate

That’s right, avoid renovating or fixing up altogether, or at least keep it to a minimum. Some people enjoy renovating because they have the manual skills, the knowledge, and the time to do good quality work themselves, and they get a lot of satisfaction from the process. But for many people, renovating is a stressful, unpleasant passage they endure to get to somewhere better. Depending on the circumstances, the stress and unpleasantness can be extreme.

We bought our fixer upper in 2003 for $355K, and so far have spent another $300K renovating it. But we missed out on a well-maintained, attractive 1950s bungalow that sold in a bidding war for $402K. This bungalow is located on one of the nicest, traffic-calmed streets in the Grandview area we live in, has a big rear deck with a view of the mountains, a basement suite with a full eight-foot-high ceiling, and on the main level, well preserved oak floors, a stylish brick fireplace, and a kitchen with the original 1950s-style tiled counters. Not the ideal house for everyone, but it would have been perfect for us. And the $47K difference in purchase price now looks like a pittance compared to the amount of money we’ve spent renovating.

Of course, even a well preserved 55- or 60-year-old house is going to need some work. But I suspect the work in the case of this house would have been far less onerous, and far less expensive, than what we’ve done with our place. On the several occasions I’ve walked by this house in the intervening years, it doesn’t look like much has been changed. By all appearances, the owners just bought it, moved in, and have proceeded to live in it. Judiciously spending more up front may in fact be cheaper in the long run, and less stressful, than buying a place that seems like a deal, because the price is lower and “it only needs a bit of fixing up.”

If initially spending more isn’t an option, another way to avoid renovating is to accept less house. Instead of a detached, single family home, consider a well-built duplex, townhouse, or condo over a house, or choose a less expensive location. (For those aspiring to the West Side, know that the world doesn’t end at Main St.). You may feel that compromising in this fashion is not in the cards for you personally, but after weighing the alternatives, and costing out various scenarios, you may find that one of these compromises allows to you get into a home that doesn’t require significant work and further expense, which could be a better approach for you personally.

6. Educate yourself

So how do you know which houses warrant paying more for up front, and which are money pits masquerading as a deal? You educate yourself — before you start house hunting.

I suspect the people who won the bidding war for that 1950s bungalow had a very good idea about the relative merits of the house, and that knowledge and understanding gave them the confidence to formulate the winning bid out of nine offers. Which isn’t the same as saying that the house, in a more universal sense, was worth $402K in 2003, or is worth $800K now, in 2011. Just that the more experienced and knowledgeable you are as a buyer, the more likely you’ll be able to assess value in relation to current market conditions, and act accordingly.

Unfortunately, for first time buyers, the best teacher is experience. Having owned a house for seven years, and having gone through reno hell, we are now far more experienced and knowledgeable than we were in 2003. When Marco, the lead on the concrete crew that installed our new basement slab, was considering the house he eventually bought, he got the owner’s permission to dig a hole beside the foundation, so he could check if the foundation walls had a footing. No footing, no offer to purchase. How many first time buyers even know what a footing is, or why it’s important? How many would have the moxie to show up at someone’s house with a shovel?

What can you do to educate yourself? Talk to people who’ve bought, owned, sold, and enjoyed houses, and suffered through home ownership and renovation. Family members, friends, builders and tradespeople, architects, co-workers. Talk to landlords, and tenants in basement suites (who live closer to the heart of the matter). Most people enjoy talking about their houses, and you’ll learn a lot. Also, read. The Web has some fantastic resources, but ultimately books are a better bet. Information can be fragmented on the Web, and hard to find. Well-written, well-illustrated books about houses, renovation, and construction, are worth the money and the investment of time because they’ll be comprehensive, do a good job of explaining the technicalities, and organize the information in a logical manner.

[Further resources/reading, general]

Make It Right: Inside Home Renovation with Canada’s Most Trusted Contractor, by Mike Holmes. Toronto: Collins, 2006.

The Holmes Inspection: Everything You Need to Know before You Buy or Sell your Home, by Mike Holmes. Toronto: Collins, 2008.

I realize Holmes is a TV-star-contractor with a certain on-screen persona and shtick. White knight rides in and outs the bad guys, or at least their sorry handiwork. It makes for entertaining TV. Holmes also has his detractors and there’s some anti-Holmes backlash out there. None of that really matters when it comes to the books. I feel the books are pretty good, especially for the price, have solid information, are very well illustrated, and are written at a general level without dumbing things down too much or omitting important details. Whether Holmes wrote every word himself, or whether they were ghost written, or committee written, again doesn’t really matter. All that matters is whether or not they are good information sources for someone getting into the home-buying, home-fixing game.

[Further resources/reading, advanced]

Home Renovation, by Francis D.K. Ching and Dale E. Miller. New York: Wiley, 1983.

Canadian Wood-Frame House Construction. Ottawa: Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, 2006.

7. Bottom up, inside out

Think about houses from the bottom up and the inside out, not from the top down and the outside in.

What you can see when you look at a house online, or tour it in person, is relatively unimportant — at least from a financial standpoint — because it’s easy to get at and easy to change or fix. You’re looking at décor and finishings, and these are not the things on which you should primarily base your purchase decision. Typically, house flippers looking for quick profit are all about décor and finishings, because they can be quick and cheap to replace, and the shiny replacements can dazzle the inexperienced or the unwary. A new IKEA kitchen, fancy-looking countertops, and lower end stainless steel appliances can probably be installed for $25K, and will look good for a couple of years. How many flippers would spend that $25K on badly needed drainage and foundation work? They’d just sell the house in the summer, when it’s dry, and the unwary buyer is unlikely to encounter problems like a damp basement.

What you can’t see is typically the important stuff, the stuff that can do your personal finances grievous harm: the foundation, the drainage, the sewer pipe, the water service, the plumbing, the wiring, the gas lines, the furnace and heating duct system, the building envelope, the insulation, the attic ventilation, the frame, the roof. In other words, all the systems that in combination make a house habitable and comfortable to live in — or, if they’re compromised, less comfortable or even miserable.

Learn the basics of these systems. A damp basement, if not dealt with at the source, will rot any framing, drywall, or flooring installed over top of the concrete substrate. Old galvanized steel water pipes will be full of corrosion on the inside, and will progressively choke off the water pressure in a plumbing system. Before we replumbed, if a tenant turned on the water in the old rental suite, our upstairs shower dropped to a trickle. Do-it-yourself modifications and extensions to the electrical system may have created a fire hazard. After we’d gutted our basement in preparation for rebuilding the rental suite, I found a scorched patch on a stud beneath a wire that had obviously been overheating. I saw the same thing in my sister and her husband’s former house.

Beware of surfaces. Look deeper. Which isn’t bad advice for life in general. Metaphorically speaking, show up with a shovel.

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Coming soon: Part 9c: So You Want to Buy a House and Fix It Up? Thirty Suggestions for Survival – Suggestions 8 & 9
Part 9 subsections are posted every Tuesday and Friday.
Our advice is to leave the tools in the garage until you’ve read them all. -ed.

12 Responses to The Froogle Scott Chronicles: Mortgaging Our Souls In Paradise – Part 9b: So You Want to Buy a House and Fix It Up? Thirty Suggestions for Survival

  1. I so enjoy these postings, and as I have said before in other comments, I wish I had read them before I bought my current home. A 1940s bungalow in Ottawa, completely renovated from the inside out. As I read this most recent subsection, Froogle Scott’s words make me twinge.

    The house looked great on the inside, with fresh paint, gleaming hardwood floors, shiny new countertops, and so on. We moved in just over 3 years ago and since then have replaced the furnace , significant duct work, the a/c unit, and numerous plumbing fixtures. We have reinsulated the attic and basement walls, rebuilt the shoddy construction in the basement, repaired and extended the drainage systems, repaired a cracked and leaking foundation, tore out an old, energy-wasting wood stove and replaced it with an energy-efficient, air-tight gas fireplace, and re-done the roof using metal shingles to compensate for a poor roofline.

    If we had done what Froogle Scott suggests and assessed the house from the bottom up and inside out, we would have been more properly alerted to these issues before purchasing the home.

    That said, would we have still bought the house knowing what we were getting into? Probably, because we loved the house (and still do), but we would have been more prepared for the work ahead, would have tried to get the house for less money, and certainly would have made different financial arrangements with the bank ahead of time.

    Froogle Scott’s 30 tips are a must read for anybody buying a home, but especially an older home that will most certainly require some “fixing up”.

    Cheers to you, Froogle Scott, for sharing your experiences and educating us all.

  2. Here is an anecdote for you:
    This morning, I talked to this guy, let’s call him Joe, I knew for a few months. He has been living in his house for some time now and I always assumed that his parents paid for it.
    Today, Joe asked me why I haven’t bought in this hot market. I told him that I think that the market is overpriced and I don’t want to go too deep in debt. He asked “Why not, banks are practically giving money away for free”. I asked him to elaborate and it turns out that he has a no-money down NINJA mortgage! Here in our best place in Galaxy, where banking is supposed to be sound. And as if that was not enough, the bank gave him more than what he actually paid for the house – for “renovations”. Since he is a NINJA, I assume that he is using this “extra” money to pay his monthly payments. This is just a speculation on my part, but I can’t see any other way how this scheme could work.

    • I am surprised that nobody cares. Am I the only one surprised by the availability of NINJA mortgages in Vancouver?

  3. Froogle & Cy, I’m interested to know how much, if at all, a home inspector saw & commented on those bottom up and inside out questions – and if they didn’t, why not?

    I’m a bit spooked that to really know what you’re getting into you have to be better at home inspection than a home inspector.

    I’ve been renting a house for two years – and it’s my first time in a SFH, having grown up in apartments – and though I dearly love this beautiful old 20s cottage, I am more aware every day how much work it needs to prevent it from sinking into unmanageable disrepair. Family has asked if we’d buy it, money notwithstanding – and I’ve said it’s a perfect rental for us, exactly the sort of style we best love with beautiful old built in features (like an old icebox that works as a pantry) … but in no universe am I qualified to own it. If I had a million dollars to spend on saving the bones and upgrading, I still don’t have the skill to oversee the work.

    So, now I know about gorgeous old 20s cottages with lath & plaster still on the walls and cracking foundations and god knows what electrical systems – after two years, I’m seeing it. I don’t know what’s a likely weakness in other houses; I’d want an expert to consult! And I thought that’s what the home inspector was *for*!

  4. Great stuff as usual Scott, a couple of comments.

    4. You almost always don’t tear down a big house on a small lot if you can’t rebuild to the same footprint.

    5. One way to lessen the blow of your personal investment in renovations is to subtract the rent you saved while living in reno hell. Marginal savings but should count for something. You will likely only do this once.

    Definitely agree with spending a little extra on a house with better bones/infrastructure. Read Fine Homebuilding rather than Met Homes.

    Re: “Just that the more experienced and knowledgeable you are as a buyer, the more likely you’ll be able to assess value in relation to current market conditions, and act accordingly.”

    This can be true wrt land value not just the structure that sits on it. Investors that bid up prices on Dunbar houses last year (and were earmarked on this site), may have had information about market conditions (Asian influx) that were not commonly known/understood by the rest of us.

    7. Re: basements – would you live in it? If not, then you’re probably not going to get very good tenants. A bad suite likely means high-risk tenants and/or a revolving door of the same.

  5. @Absinthe
    My wife and I have been asking the same question ever since we bought the house and started realizing all the hidden (or at least not obviously noticeable) issues it had in store for us. Why the heck did we hire that building inspector in the first place? Because quite frankly he was useless and didn’t warn us of anything. Sure, we knew the furnace and a/c unit were old and needed eventual replacing. That was obvious to any average joe. We can’t fault the building inspector there. And I suppose we can’t fault the building inspector for the foundation and drainage issues. Those issues were underground or behind finished basement walls, so completely out of sight. Sure, the building inspector used his fancy gadget to read moisture ratings in the walls and pronounced that they were bone-dry! Yipee we thought at the time, but have since learned that our basement is always dry in the summer months (when the inspection took place). It is the Spring that is problematic. As for the insulation, duct work, and shoddy construction in our basement? Well, those items were all hidden behind the walls or in inaccessible attic space. Again, can’t blame the inspector for that. I do wish the inspector had pointed out the poor roofline of our house. This was caused by a massive addition added to the back of the home that leads to ice damming and snow accumulation in the winter, which in turn leads to water damage and premature aging of asphalt shingles. I’ve since had numerous roofers visit the home and almost immediately they can tell from a simple glance at the roof that there are obvious problems.

    So, to sum, although many of our problems could not have been realistically discovered by a building inspector, I think at least the roof issue should have been brought to our attention. Mostly we just feel that in hindsight hiring the building inspector was a waste of money. I don’t necessarily recommend that you don’t hire one if you are looking to buy a home, but realize that they are not as helpful as we are sometimes led to believe. In many cases they will only notice things that are obvious, such as electrical issues, exposed foundation cracks, and possibly issues with your attic if they are able to access it. These are important things to know about a home, but having a building inspector sign-off on a house doesn’t guarantee there aren’t numerous “hidden” issues you will have to deal with.

    • I would definitely ask around to find home inspectors. Often the good ones will be too busy but will refer you to those they trust and respect. I would never hire an inspector without a recommendation from a trusted and competent friend.

      What Scott’s and your stories highlight (and trust me you are doing well by Vancouver standards!) is that many people will inevitably, as sure as the sun rises in the east, have more expenses than they think in the coming years. The government seems intent on reducing, not increasing, debt loads so this onus will be particularly painful for these homeowners in the coming years.

  6. http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Vancouver renting better option than buying/4674158/story.html

    • Good article.
      It’s sad that the author has to point out the obvious – that the real estate agents are just salesmen who “possess no great knowledge, they do not have access to either a crystal ball or reams of facts and figures that are inaccessible to the average person.” I suspect that most people are too blinded by the real estate craziness to realize this simple fact.

  7. Froogle Scott

    Thanks for the comments, folks.

    @ Cy, Absinthe
    Unfortunately (scandalously?), home inspection is a bit of a flaky industry. It’s largely unregulated, and what regulation there is, is ineffective. The post this Friday has a section about home inspectors. So check back for that. It’s impossible for the average person to know all there is to know about houses prior to making a purchase decision, so a home inspector is someone you really have to rely upon. And if they let you down, the impact on your finances can be quite unpleasant. My general advice, in keeping with jesse, is to make your job finding the best home inspector you can. They do exist. And start the hunt well in advance of looking for a house. A year in advance isn’t unreasonable. Almost no one does that, but it makes a lot of sense. Give yourself time to really learn what to look for in a home inspector. That’s a lot more do-able for the average home hunter than trying to become the home inspector yourself. A good starting point is Mike Holmes’ book The Holmes Inspection. He spends quite a bit of time on what you should look for in a home inspector, and why a lot of them are no good.

    @ blammo
    “You almost always don’t tear down a big house on a small lot if you can’t rebuild to the same footprint.” I guess the implication is that at some point in the past a house gets built, or is added to over the years, so that it exceeds the 60% floor space ratio for residential lots, and then is subsequently grandfathered? This happened with the deck on our place. It was non-conforming, but not drastically so. The building inspector let it go, as long as we were just refurbishing it. Had we taken it down to the ground, and built from scratch, it would have had to conform to code, and would have been so small as to be not worth having a deck. But I do wonder if drastically overbuilt houses on small lots — say, a 2800-square-foot house on a 25 x 122 lot — would be grandfathered? I don’t have the real world knowledge myself, so I’d be interested to hear.

    Good insight regarding the quality of a basement suite and what you can expect in the way of tenants/possible grief. Both my wife and I were envious of the new rental suite our tenants were moving into. They have a much nicer kitchen than our current 1970s set up, and the suite is bright and sunny. Absolutely we’d live in it ourselves. I make a point of doing any repairs or enhancements as quickly as possible. And grant any requests that aren’t unreasonable. Amateur landlords renting out their lower levels should understand that they’re providing a service, and running a small business. Tenants have options about how they spend their rent money. Stuffing people into a hellhole, doing nothing for them, and then reaching into their wallet for a whack of cash every month is behaviour that will probably be repaid in kind.

    • I wish you a lifetime of good tenants!
      … This, perhaps, should be the new blessing for SFH owners with suites in Vancouver. But you deserve it more than most.

  8. terminalcitygirl

    Thanks again for these well written and truly educational articles Froogle! I think the unrealistic and often traumatizing reno/ maintenance costs will play a part in the coming cliff dive of Van real estate prices. People who have lived in or rented out their investments for a few years and know what they are dealing with will be unwilling or unable to afford the upkeep and will start to bail. Thanks to you and others, perhaps the next wave of buyers will be a bit more thoughtful about the real costs of home ownership.

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