lils at VREAA 24 April 2011 at 10:42 am- “Recently, we went to look at a 1.6m tear down on the Westside with a lot of great neighborhood attributes – across from a park, etc. 10 days after listing and after receiving offers, the price was raised around 400k (!) and it sits for sale 4 weeks later. This has been happening with increasing frequency all over the Westside and in West Van, where properties are listed with no intention of selling, but only to determine their market value plus profit. At the other realtors’ expense of preparing offers and having clients genuinely interested in buying a home or land, the selling realtor sits back and lets the market tell them what it’s worth. They make only a marginal commission for raising the price, so what is the incentive? If you were an offshore seller, and an agent came back with 33% over list price, you’d be pretty happy. You might even financially reward them for their incredible abilities above and beyond the agreed (and legal) commission. This is an entirely plausible marketing tactic aimed at offshore sellers and buyers who are not well versed in the market. “Here, I made you an amazing profit” only to turn around to similar clients and say “Look here, what a deal”.
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I do tend to agree there is likely some “green” money being thrown around. Enjoy it while it lasts! More record highs for PMs and Van RE today…
Actually, check out the subsequent action in silver … Up $1.50 at the open for a new high of $47, then plunged $2.50 over the first hour. Skittishness?
The ‘risk assets’ are setting up for a big downdraft soon (PMs, stocks, emerging markets, loonies). And, who knows?.., yes, Vancouver RE just MIGHT decide to join them on this leg.
Speaking of ‘risk’ and ‘downdrafts’…
“Our numbers go back to 1964 and we have never seen anything like this bifurcation before,” said Mr Aboulafia…
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“The ‘risk assets’ are setting up for a big downdraft soon”
I’m listening…
I bought this morning’s dip and just sold half of it.
Silver is not for the faint of heart.
Of course it’s topping, but it will definitely hit $50 first then go higher but I will be out. I’ve been telling everyone for months.
I will buy AGQ puts in May/June.
“Diversification is something that stock brokers came up with to protect themselves, so they wouldn’t get sued for making bad investment choices for clients, says commodities bull Jim Rogers.”
“The way to get rich is to put your eggs in one basket, but watch that basket very carefully. And make sure you have the right basket.”
Diversification – “Method of breaking even over an investment lifetime.”
Agree re eggs/basket.
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“The way to get rich is to put your eggs in one basket, but watch that basket very carefully. And make sure you have the right basket.”
I assume you understand the context of this quote. Good luck with those puts!
The 2x vehicles all trend towards zero – look at SRS, SKF, or HNU.TO for examples. In sideways or descending trends the daily resets eat these things alive. And I’m talking 5% max of portfolio.
This is definitely *not* investment advice.
“And I’m talking 5% max of portfolio.”
Yes the synthetic shorts trend towards DC over time because of the way they’re structured. I don’t know how many eggs I’d put in that basket.
I have to say it’s a good thing realtors have a “code of ethics” otherwise we’d all be in trouble.
I like warrants for my basket. I’ve done very well with them and I do watch them very carefully.
If you enjoy reading blogs about metals check out a guy named Turd Ferguson. His blog tfsmetalsreport (along the watchtower) provides interesting insight into the Gold/silver trading from a floor traders perspective.
I started investing in PMs about 7 years ago. Now that I see discussions about PMs on RE blogs, I am thinking of selling. The fundamentals are still positive for precious metals, but I need to find a shoeshine boy to point me in the right (opposite) direction…
I’ve invested in PMs for >12 years now: watched the bottom in gold. Nobody, and I mean nobody, was interested. It was a no brainer to load up at that time.
The ‘opposite’ direction now is the USD. Nobody is interested. Everybody sees the ‘USD going to nothing’ as the obvious trade.
Ultimately, it will go to nothing, but not in a straight line.
Good for you. Are you selling your PMs now or are you waiting for that shoeshine boy moment?
I’ve steadily lightened up into strength, still have core position.
Sorry for trying to provide a little information. I’ll keep my yap shut. Gotta go shine some shoes.
No problem with linking sites and keeping an open mind about it all.
How heavily ‘in’ is “tfsmetalsreport” currently?
No need to take my comment personally.
We are obviously in a different place in the PM bull market than we were a few years ago. After gold crossed $1300 and silver went above $25, people who thought that I am a nut for investing in PMs started lecturing me about inflation and the necessity of investing in gold and silver. That’s not a good sign.
The biggest gains in the PM cycles are achieved during the blow-off stage which we are in the midst of now. Silver is giving you a taste of what we should see Gold do before this cycles is over, IMO.
The USD is hated for a reason and while I will soon be exchanging currencies for personal use you will get better bang for your buck by shorting the overstretched commods (if you ask me).
Will this bring down Vancouver RE? Frankly, I don’t think so. But RE is *much* tougher to time than the stock market.
For a sense of reality; there are 88 listings presently on MLS for Calgary and area at $2 million plus. In anywhere but Vancouver you get a mansion for the price of a crack shack teardown in VCR.
@ James
“In anywhere but Vancouver you get a mansion for the price of a crack shack teardown in VCR”
how does Manhatten stack up with the rest of the US in affordability? 1.6M avg price get you a condo. Or San Francisco, or… In the US there are 35 municipalities with avg price 1M or more. Some areas are expensive and are the choice of the well-heeled. The sooner you accept that Vancouver is one of these cities the sooner you’ll stop beating yourself up over the price differences of lesser demand areas.
The average and median incomes in those expensive American cities are much higher than in Vancouver.
And rents are also higher.
@ Joe Q
but again, the avg incomes in those expensive markets do not justify the higher prices. No different here. Expensive markets never formulate well to incomes or rents (fundamentals) anywhere you point. No different here. I think the conclusion on expensive markets is that influx of wealth is the factor, not incomes. Obviously we have more wealth entering Vancouver than is entering Calgary. Compare and contrast as you wish, but this is the reality