Monthly Archives: June 2010

“Out of the nearly $200-million worth of real estate we’ve sold so far this year, I’d say 50 per cent was sold to Mainland Chinese.”

Ironically, we’re tempted to criticize this article in the G&M for being too… anecdotal. The authors are arguably guilty of generalizing too much from specific examples. They asked people who specialize in helping Chinese people buy BC real estate whether any Chinese people are buying BC real estate. -vreaa

Excerpts from ‘Mainland China pours wealth into BC housing’, Globe and Mail, 10 Jun 2010 -

“Out of the nearly $200-million [worth of real estate] we’ve sold so far this year, I’d say 50 per cent was sold to Mainland Chinese,” said George Wong of Magnum Projects. “There’s a growing middle class and a growing wealthy class. And they have become the fuel to our real estate.” Mr. Wong travels to cities such as Beijing and Shanghai to showcase West Coast properties, and his trips have led to sales. He said Chinese buyers account for about half of the units bought at a downtown condo development called Harbour Green, where the average unit costs $5.5-million. “That’s the most luxurious and exclusive condo in Canada,” he said.

“There are over 3,000 Chinese families who migrate to Canada under the business category every year,” said Vincent Chen of Visas Consulting Group, who helps families move to Canada from his office in Shanghai. “At least 60 per cent of these families choose Vancouver to settle down – and a major part of them will buy property there, sooner or later.”

Celia Liang came to Canada a decade ago to open a restaurant in Golden, B.C. She is now in Kelowna working as a translator for a local [real estate] agent. “My experience has been, in the last two years, I am seeing more Chinese come,” Ms. Liang said. “These aren’t Canadian Chinese. They are from China.” Ms. Liang said Chinese buyers are here to settle down, raise families, and get away from the congestion and overcrowding of many Chinese cities. “The thing that will make people buy property is they have to want to move to Canada – that is the thing, for them to want to invest in another country and not their own,” she said. “They buy property here not for investment, but because they are willing to move here.”

Fast And Loose Demolition In Vancouver

Wild west, frontier country; cowboy construction, daredevil demolition. All part of the culture of a hustle-or-be-hustled hot-hot-hot RE market. -vreaa

Southeast corner of Hornby Street and Helmcken Street around 5:15 p.m. PT on Thursday 10 Jun 2010, as reported at cbc.ca 11 Jun 2010.


Other videos angles: First wall; Second wall.

“Market sentiment seems to be shifting. Neighbour is trying to sell their 3 story renovated character home. Reduced the price once. People are coming to the open houses, they appear to be interested, but are reluctant to pull the trigger. Uncertainty.”

tapioca at RE Talks 10 Jun 2010 1:27 pm -

“Market sentiment seems to be shifting. Where once open houses were packed in my ‘hood, they are quieter and things seem to be sitting for longer. Not dead, but definitely not the insanity of the past.  I ran into my neighbour the other week. They’re trying to sell their 3 story renovated character home. They’ve already reduced the price once. She said the market is funny right now… people are coming to the open houses, they appear to be interested, but are reluctant to pull the trigger. Had one offer that collapsed when the buyer got cold feet. Uncertainty. This is a good area (van/burnaby heights) where properties were selling fast in the past…just thought it was interesting.”

“Around my neighborhood of Fairview, we finally had a house priced under $1M! Granted, it is a old timer tear down.”

space889 9 Jun 2010 11:35 am -

“Around my neighborhood of Fairview, we finally had a house priced under $1M! Granted it is a old timer tear down. Sorry, I meant handyman/renovation dream project. Everything else that’s on the market have not moved at all…granted they are all priced $1.3 to $2 million! Including those old timers that probably requires $300K+ in a complete total, tear, smash, and throw everything out type of renovation just to make it livable.”

“I am 36 and he is 32. We bought in 2003 for $280K, the 2 BR condo is now worth $500K and dropping. All the various financial people I’ve gone to for advice say Vancouver will correct by 10%, but not much more, due to Asian money scooping up “bargains” here.”

This from Jane as headlined by Garth Turner at greaterfool.ca 8 Jun 2010 -

“I am 36 and he is 32.  We bought in 2003 for $280 000, the 2 bedroom condo is now worth $500,000 (and dropping).  We would like more space, but are happy to stay where we are for another couple of years. If we sell and rent we may never get back into the market.  If we don’t sell, our condo will depreciate, but so will the rest of the homes.  Ultimately we will need more space as we have two young children.
I’m inclined to stay put, pay off the rest of the mortgage (as we can’t afford rent without downgrading our living space), and then buy a bigger place when prices drop. buying when prices are down means a smaller mortgage; I’m not buying in to current prices.  But how much will prices drop?  And when?  Everyone I’ve gone to for advice (various financial people) all say Vancouver will correct by 10% but not much more due to Asian money scooping up “bargains” here.  We choose to stay in Vancouver proper as it is cheaper than commuting from any of the suburbs (we are down to one car, I stay home with the kids, do the wifey household chores, cook a lot, live within our means), and there are other family and quality of life costs that also come with commuting, namely we’d never see my husband and we’d most likely need a second car, forcing me back to work, then we’d need daycare, etc, etc.
So, what should we do?  We could sell and rent, but we can’t afford to rent an equivalent sized place, let alone something bigger.  I feel stuck, so we sit and wait, hoping for prices to tumble so that we can afford a larger place.”

“A friend of mine is a realtor here in Surrey. I know for a fact she is usually super busy but this week is surfing the net.”

LightsOut at vancouvercondo.info 8 Jun 2010 3:20 pm -

“A friend of mine is a realtor here in Surrey. She is Chinese and deals mainly with Chinese clients. She told me today that there was only 1 sale in all of Surrey last week. I told her I didn’t believe it but she said it was true. I know for a fact she is usually super busy but this week is surfing the net.” [There was definitely more than one sale in Surrey last week. Perhaps she meant within her agency? Regardless, the anecdote stands as indicative of the slowdown being experienced. -vreaa]

“At a party tonight a lady was cribbing about her neighbor who has panicked and put his condo on sale for 60K less than hers. “This is totally unacceptable, it is worth much more”

As prices drop, sellers discover that they’re not competing with buyers, they’re competing with all the other sellers. -vreaa

paulb fan at vancouvercondo.info 7 Jun 2010 8:52 pm -

“At a party tonight a lady was cribbing about her neighbor who has panicked and put his condo on sale for 60K less than hers. “This is totally unacceptable, it is worth much more” – was her exact remarks. She was upset at his stupidity.”

“Although the word might be getting out, it clearly has not gotten to everybody. I had two conversations over the weekend with potential buyers. I think it might be easier to come out of the closet in small town Texas than to say you think Real Estate in Vancouver “could” go down.”

McLovin at vancouvercondo.info 7 Jun 2010 4:38 pm -

“Although the word might be getting out, it clearly has not gotten to everybody. I have had two conversations over the weekend where the terms “I need to stay liquid in case I want to buy another house” (as in rental property) came up. With this in mind, it might take a bit longer for prices to start to collapse then people here think. There are still a lot of potential buyers who have drank the kool-aid and prepared to buy. Naturally, I keep my thoughts to myself. I think it might be easier to come out of the closet in small town Texas than to say you think Real Estate in Vancouver “could” go down!”

“My sister and brother-in-law are well aware of the nature of the market and will price and consider offers accordingly. They have the added benefit of sitting on a pile of potential equity, and have little incentive to want to squeeze every potential dollar out of the list price.”

oneangryslav2 at vancouvercondo.info 5 Jun 2010 11:53 am & 1:37 pm -

“My sister and her husband are putting their Coquitlam home up for sale in a couple of weeks time. I’ve been gently pressuring them to get the home listed as quickly as possible. I’m genuinely confident that the house will sell quickly as it’s in a decent area, the house is in good shape, and my sister and brother-in-law are well aware of the nature of the market and will price and consider offers accordingly. They have the added benefit of sitting on a pile of potential equity and have not taken any money out of the home and will, therefore, have little incentive to want to squeeze every potential dollar out of the list price.”  … “They had been hoping not to sell at all, but finally realized about a month ago, due to mitigating circumstances, that they have to sell. It’s taken them a while to make some mostly cosmetic renos and other improvements to the house. They’re almost finished now.”

“Buyer interest for this older house in Burnaby began to peter out in April, and has now dried up entirely, despite a price reduction that is now below 2 earlier rejected offers.”

nojoy at vancouvercondo.info 5 Jun 2010 11:29 am -

“An acquaintance and her sister lost their elderly mom in January, and decided to put her clear title older house in Burnaby on the market after all the formalities of the estate. They got several appraisals from realtors during the olympics and decided to list after the distraction of the games. They received an offer the first week, along with a backup with a couple of subjects. They rejected both as there seemed to be a lot of interest. Unfortunately, the interest began to peter out in April and has now dried up entirely, despite a price reduction that is now below those 2 offers.”

Can’t Sell? Raise Price By $300K! – Contrarian Sellers Playing Hard To Get

Dropping the asking price on your Vancouver house-for-sale is currently more common than actually selling the house. Price drops outnumber sales on a daily basis, as inventory rises and there is increasing competition for buyers. Then there are those who appear to be swimming against the current. Figure this one out…, any insight appreciated. -vreaa

1028 29th Ave West, Vancouver. Built 1992; 4207 sqft; 54 x 120 lot.

Came on market 8 April 2010, Asking price $1,988,000

Price change 7 June 2010, Asking price raised to $2,288,000

“Every Friday four of us go for lunch together and every Friday I have been heavily pressured for not taking advantage of low rates blah-blah-blah. And now it happened. Today at lunch: politics, schools, hockey, soccer, cars, whatever. Real estate – not a single word.”

Years from now, when we reach the Vancouver RE price trough, the subject of RE will be reviled as a topic of conversation. Are we seeing the very beginnings of that descent? -vreaa

Patsan at vancouvercondo.info 4 Jun 2010 11 p.m. -

“When 6 months ago I sold my 2br townhome and rented a 4br house for less than cost of “ownership”, almost all my friends and colleagues were looking at me as at a leper. God knows what they were talking about me when I did not hear… Every Friday four of us go for lunch together and every Friday since becoming mortgage-free I have been heavily pressured for not taking advantage of low rates blah-blah-blah. I tried to reason my move and educate them, but helplessly. And it happened. Today at lunch, there was a lengthy discussion about BP barbarism, BC politics, schools, hockey, soccer, cars, whatever. Real estate – not a single word. Wow, I said to myself. Coincidence? What do I know?”

The realtor said “You can’t believe but there was not a single call for this house for 30 days”.

Patsan at vancouvercondo.info 4 Jun 2010 11 p.m. -

“My family are renting a house on the West Side and in January my amateur landlord put the house for sale as “financial conditions changed”. My family kindly agreed to show the house once a week to potential buyers. At the beginning showings were active and once we had seven parties to wander around. By the end of April there were one or two viewers per week. In May – zilch – nothing – no showings and no call from the realtor for four weeks. Yesterday I inadvertently bumped into the guy in downtown and asked him what’s going on. The realtor said “you can’t believe but there was not a single call for this house for 30 days”. I told him that there is no reason for dejection because it is different here and maybe all the potential buyers are flocking to Johannesburg to snap some properties during FIFA World Cup and then will be back home. To say that he was stunned is to say nothing.” [haha, cute joke -ed.]

“You know what’s funny? I sold my place in Kits in 2006, thinking it was all going to be over soon. Now that it finally looks like a crash is imminent, I have stopped caring. Oh, the irony.”

The emotion mentioned here by ‘Miracle’ seems surprising, but is actually not uncommon. Václav Havel described the unusual feeling of going from years of being a revolutionary, to suddenly being president of the Czech Republic. He likened it to Sisyphus suddenly finding that the boulder he has been pushing uphill for an eternity was now suddenly at the summit. He described feeling strangely at a loss. Vancouver housing bears may note similar emotions as this market starts doing exactly that which they have been anticipating all these years. It’s almost as if the perverse workings of the bubble drew more of our attention, was more fascinating, than the more natural unwinding. RE bear emotion at this point is also tinged with caution as we are aware of the profound economic effects that the bubble aftermath will likely have on our society. -vreaa

Miracle at vancouvercondo.info 4 Jun 2010 8:20 pm -

“You know what’s funny? I’ve been reading (mostly lurking) on this blog [vancouvercondo.info] for five years now, waiting for the imminent crash. Sold my place in Kits in 2006, thinking it was all going to be over soon. Now that it looks like nothing can stop it, I have finally stopped caring. Oh, the irony. Got to thank the pope [VCI blogger] and the rest of the regulars for having the fortitude to carry on here (Appreciate the blog everyone. Keep it up!), but as for me any schadenfreude that I would have felt five years ago is offset by the overall economic troubles we’re going to be faced with once this crash really gets going. Nice that we will all finally be doing some bargain hunting down the road, but what I really want to know is what is going to be our next growth industry, and and who is building it?”

“I know two couples that just bought. I just keep my mouth shut.” … “Me too. When I heard I was speechless.”

Starving Artist at vancouvercondo.info 4 Jun 2010 5:53 pm -

“Still lots of fools “taking advantage” of low interest rates. I know two couples that just bought. I just keep my mouth shut.”

paulb. at vancouvercondo.info 4 Jun 2010 6:28 pm -

“I [also know two couples that just bought]. When I heard I was speechless. I wouldn’t say anything nasty of course, why pour salt on a wound. This market crash won’t be without casualties, some of which are friends, perhaps family. But I have warned those close to myself and I am ready and waiting to buy for a more reasonable price.”

“The offer of $433,000 was accepted, but the couple made it subject to the sale of their 1BR 650 sqft Burnaby condo, which is where they sit at this moment — waiting to sell their condo so that they can purchase the New West unit.”

The downturn has commenced, little doubt about it. Suddenly the mainstream media are full of stories of “abrupt” changes in the market. Lots of interesting stuff in the story below: Ballooning inventory; disappearing offers; dropping prices; disappointed owners; imagined paper wealth (“People believe their home should be worth more”); wannabe move-uppers who can’t move-up. And a great example of magical thinking, an immature psychological defence which will come in handy for some in the months and years ahead: “If it doesn’t work out, it wasn’t meant to be”. -vreaa

This extended anecdote from ‘The market’s jagged little pill’, by Kerry Gold, G&M 3 Jun 2010 -

“Earlier this spring, when Allison and Regan Janz went looking for a scenic backdrop for their wedding photos, by chance they discovered their dream condo in a transitional neighbourhood in New Westminster. The sprawling 50-acre Port Royal riverfront development is located in the otherwise nondescript suburban neighbourhood of Queensborough, an overlooked spot that holds potential because of its Fraser River views. It’s one of the Lower Mainland’s biggest developments, the kind that can transform the look and feel of a community. There was an open house that day the pair visited, so they checked it out and quickly fell for the partial river view, floor-to ceiling windows, high-end appliances, and the fact that, at 1,200 square feet, it was double the size of their Burnaby condo. It had an asking price of $449,000. “From what I’ve seen, a lot of new development is going in there — you do have to go over a bridge to get there, but it’s central to Burnaby, Richmond and Vancouver,” says Ms. Janz, who did her research on the area. “To me, Queensborough is great.”

They hadn’t planned to purchase so quickly — they were going to move in the fall. But their wedding was a month away and they were anxious to get on with their lives and start a family, so the couple — both elementary-school teachers — decided to make an offer. They thought the owner might be desperate to sell, because the two-bedroom unit plus den in the two-year-old building had been on the market for two months, and the owner had already come down $20,000 from an initial asking price of $469,000. Their offer on the property would be the first. So the couple came in with a lowball offer of $415,000 which offended the buyer, who counteroffered at $1,000 below asking. The couple waited a couple of weeks and made another offer after the price had come down to $435,000. Their offer of $433,000 was accepted, but the couple made it subject to the sale of their one-bedroom 650-square-foot Burnaby condo, which is where they sit at this moment — waiting to sell their condo so that they can purchase the Port Royal unit. The subject removal date is June 15, and after more than a month on the market, they haven’t had one offer. The couple’s wedding came and went two weeks ago. Their honeymoon is in July. Only one person has shown serious interest, but he’s also interested in another unit in their building. They are waiting for him to decide. “We are waiting on pins and needles to hear,” says Ms. Janz.

Ms. Janz, 30, was single when she purchased the unit on her own for $269,000 two years ago, at the peak of the market. She hoped to get that same amount when she sold it. However, soon after she listed, several other people in her building followed suit, at far lower prices. In order to sell her unit, she has had to adjust her asking price to $259,000. Yes, she’s asking less than she paid. The economic reality of that bitter pill is often lost on Vancouverites, who’ve witnessed so many crazy peaks they might forget that in real estate too there are no guarantees. “I’m disappointed,” says Ms. Janz. “I think the problem lies in that there is so much inventory right now — It seemed to come out of nowhere. It’s not just our building, it’s so many buildings in our area. The market seems to be flooded right now with so many different options. If you really, really need to sell, people are putting their prices at rock bottom. But we don’t want to go too low.” Ms. Janz says when she first bought two years ago, she would never have been given the option to make an offer that was subject to sale. She didn’t even have a subject-to-inspection clause on her offer back then. “It was so hot, I pretty much had to bid against somebody else for my place. [The deal] happened in 24 hours. It has really changed since then. It’s a total buyers’ market, I feel.” She’s right about the glut of inventory. Overall, prices haven’t dropped off yet, but buyers have more room to negotiate because of volume. One east-side realtor who preferred to remain anonymous said, “It’s a very changing market. There will be multiple offers, but with subjects. There are reductions after inspections, collapsed deals. It’s hard to explain.”

The supply of condos in Burnaby alone has gone from 500 in January to 800 active listings in April, says realtor Scott Warren. “Some people are getting too greedy on prices and that’s why inventory is increasing, because they’ve heard the market has recovered. People believe their home should be worth more.” But it’s not a market on the upswing, he adds. If your neighbour sells their identical house for $500,000, you’re not in a position to ask $520,000 for yours. You’d price it at $500,000 or slightly less.

Ms. Janz and her husband have a low mortgage rate on their side. She says they’ll stick with their variable rate, at prime minus 0.5 per cent, and they won’t consider locking in until toward the end of the year. As well, if their new home purchase does go through, they’ll be comforted with the fact that it was also reduced in price. “We said all along if it doesn’t work out, it wasn’t meant to be,” says Ms. Janz. “But at the same time, you do get invested in it with all the time and effort put into open houses and showings and keeping the place spotless and looking good. “We would love to get this place.”

“A friend bought an attached property on the North Shore in 2005 for $520K. After special assessment, upgrades and realtor fees, total gain only 10% over 5 years! A 10% drop and they are at breakeven.”

Superfly at vancouvercondo.info 3 Jun 2010 7:50 pm -

“A friend bought an attached property on the North Shore in 2005 for $520K. Comps now selling for $680K. Subtracting $30K for upgrades, $50K special assessment and $20K realtor fee nets $580K. Total gain $60K or 10% or 2% per year over 5 years! A 10% drop and they are at breakeven. Very few people will actually realize the paper gains made during this bubble. Timing and location have to be dead on. Second properties have the additional drag of capital gains tax. A 30% drop takes us back to 2004 levels or effectively even earlier if significant capital has been sunk into the property.”

“I really enjoy borrowing money essentially for free.”

ryedawg76 at RE Talks 3 Jun 2010 10:17 am -

“What should I do? I currently have a var. rate mtg. at prime less 1 that comes due in October, 2011. Sensing that rates may be going higher I got a 4 month rate hold back in late March at 3.69% for a 5yr.term. I have to decide by July if I want to pay the 3 mth interest penalty (about $1,800) to cancel the var. mortgage so that I can lock in at 3.69 with another bank.  Am I crazy for considering giving up a mortgage at prime minus 1 in order to lock in at 3.69?? my circumstances currently dictate that I can afford to pay a higher interest rate should I decide to hold off and rates were to go higher. After all, prime was at 6.25% when I entered this mtg. I really enjoy borrowing money essentially for free. On the flip side I also like the idea of fixing at an historically low 3.69 for 5 yrs and I may be kicking myself in a years time if rates are several pts. higher when I have to renew.”

“My dad has just listed his ‘investment’ apartment for less than he had it listed 2 years ago. The realtor came around & let me know that same day another identical unit in the same building came on the market for almost $20k less.”

Anonymous at vancouvercondo.info 3 Jun 2010 4:03 pm -

“My dad has just listed his ‘investment’ apartment for less than he had it listed 2 years ago … the realtor came around & let me know that same day another identical unit in the same building came on the market for almost $20k less … get ready!”

“I am renting half of a Van Special duplex on the east side. The owner also owns their own residence and another “investment” property. Last night we got served notice of foreclosure proceedings on this property.”

A story of speculation ending in foreclosure, even though prices are still near peaks and money is still pretty much free. Foreclosures will obviously spike with coming price drops and rate increases. -vreaa

r_ at vancouvercondo.info 3 Jun 2010 10:09 am -

“I am currently renting half of a Van Special duplex on the east side. The owner also owns their own residence and another “investment” property. Last night we got served notice of foreclosure proceedings on this property. Things are heading downhill…..”

“The owner told us that it doesn’t matter if it is overpriced as long as he finds the one buyer that doesn’t think so.”

Unfortunately for this seller, and hundreds of other wannabe sellers like him, the pool of greater fool buyers is dwindling fast, and is perhaps already exhausted. -vreaa

Wiki at VREAA 3 Jun 2010 11:39 am -

“Went to a few open houses downtown last weekend. This one condo was asking for $900k, at least $200k more than other comparables. Oddly enough, the owner was there with the agent and heard this comment. Owner tells us that it doesn’t matter if it is overpriced as long as he finds the one buyer that doesn’t think so.”

“I just about lost it on her about the “responsible” part since I am a senior executive that rents, and putting 5% down is not “responsible” at all.”

Grumpy Exec at vancouvercondo.info 3 Jun 2010 8:40 am -

“A new mid-20s colleague of mine was talking about her and her husband’s recent condo purchase in the summer in the “New Yaletown” in Surrey (not sure where that is). She is on a temporary contract when she bought, and proudly announced in the logbook that she was off to sign her first mortgage payments. She continuously says that being a homeowner is the “responsible thing to do” and “nothing like being an adult” because you are a homeowners.

She was talking about her condo life, and looking to buy a house in Surrey as well, and maybe keep the condo as an investment because it had gone up 30k. She was looking, in part, to buy a house because condo life is not exactly what they were thinking it was going to be. They have 3am fire alarms being pulled, and a lot of units are “rented” which is undesirable in her mind. Her husband sits on the strata council and they have a tough time trying to approve repairs. Apparently a lot of absentee landowners.

My other colleague, who agrees that prices are unsustainable, questioned her as to how she was liking her condo and how the house hunting was going. He noted that the market was slowly changing and that with the large number of absentee landowners, making repairs is only going to get worse. The best was when he said that when prices drop a lot of them will leave. Then her 5% downpayment would be gone (don’t know if that is all she put down though). She promptly left the room.

This was the day when the FV stats came out and said highest inventory since 1995. I just about lost it on her about the “responsible” part since I am a senior executive that rents, and putting 5% down is not “responsible” at all. But my colleague put her in her place inadvertently by making fun of the fact that a 5% price decline means her 5% would be gone…”

Buyers Getting The Upper Hand; ‘Lowballing’ Commences – “Home for sale $830,000; reduced recently to $790,000; offer given $710,000.”

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7Hix0Mq1gMg/Sqfzx5bjpdI/AAAAAAAAADY/xWFpZMB-eOg/s320/Monty+Python+Life+of+Brian+Haggling.jpg

Vansanity at vancouvercondo.info 2 Jun 2010 3:46 pm -

“Overheard a conversation at lunch. Buyer of a home “lowballing”. Here’s the figures: Home for sale $830,000 reduced recently to $790,000 offer given – $710,000. The buyer doesn’t think they’ll get it for that but figures for $750,000 might get it done. If so, that’s a 10% drop from the initial asking price. Timberrrrrr!”

“From a quick Google search I found that they had bought the house in March 2010 for an astounding 859K. The couple is very young (late twenties, early thirties). It didn’t seem like a stable landlord situation to me!”

This anecdote from Kel via e-mail to VREAA 30 May 2010 -

I’ve been looking to relocate from a condo in Kits to a house on the North Shore (renting that is..). Here are a few stories that help shed light on the reason why I can’t find a decent rental house:

First story: Along my journey, I went to go see this place:

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/apa/1748191061.html which was listed for $2200/month in April and then reduced to $2000/month in May.
When I went to see it, the people renting it out were clearly amateur as landlords and I didn’t feel comfortable doing a long term rent from them (and the house was only 200sqft bigger than my current price at a $600/month price increase- no thanks). Just for fun I went home and Googled the address. Turns out the house was also listed on MLS. It was listed on April 7, 2009 for 729K (http://www.realestatevancouvernow.com/mls/north-vancouver-seymour/V812682/) and at the time I viewed it in mid-May was for 699K [price:rent ratio about 350:1 -ed.].
I emailed the landlord to call him out on it and said “you won’t be able to attract good long term tenants with your house listed on MLS”. His response was “A friend of ours is a real estate agent and he convinced us to list the property, but we have decided to keep it.  I’ll let him know that he should just delist the property.  Thanks for pointing it out.”
I was angry as I felt my time was wasted… looked again last night.. the price is now listed at 658K (http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=9567824)

Second story: Went to see a place in Deep Cove. The landlords were going to be living in the basement and fixing the bottom suite while renting out the top. From a quick Google search I found that they had bought the house in March 2010 for an astounding 859K. The couple is very young (late twenties, early thirties). It didn’t seem like a stable landlord situation to me!”
[Thanks to Kel for sending along these stories.]

“We moved here a year and a half ago from London, UK, where we still own a 1-bed flat. For the same price, we can’t afford a comparable place here. We are thinking of going back to London where housing is more affordable.”

Another anecdote finding Vancouver overpriced compared with similar properties in London, UK. -vreaa

Sean at VREAA 31 May 2010 9:40 pm - “We just moved here from London a year and a half ago, where we still own a 1-bed flat. It’s worth £~310k , which is about $500,000 at today’s exchange rates. It has a huge garden and is in Highgate, a very nice area 20 minutes or less by tube to the city center. We can’t afford a comparable place here…. for half a mil, you’re not going to get anything like it. We are thinking of going back to London where housing is more affordable.”

Price Drops Commence – 5% off Average Detached In One Month

The BoC raised overnight lending rates by .25% today. The Vancouver market has already turned. -vreaa

Samsonite at yattermatters.com 1 Jun 2010 7:51 am“I’m hearing from bankers that many realtors are commenting on how things have slowed dramatically in terms of their overall activity in the past two weeks”

REBGV numbers for May 2010, from Larry Yatowsky, realtor,  1 Jun 2010 -

Average price for a detached home in Vancouver $955,348, down from $1,003,884 in April

Detached listings up 21% yoy, Detached sales down 41% yoy