“If things ever return to normal in Vancouver, maybe I’ll move back. Until then, count me as one of the many professionals who left the West Coast for greener pastures…”

Vancouver Ex-Pat writes via e-mail to VREAA 21 Apr 2010 -

“I’m born and raised in Vancouver. Grew up in the lower mainland and went to UBC. I was a big booster of my City. I was one of those folks who would tell anyone who asked, and even those who didn’t, how great Vancouver was.  Real estate and the free money was never part of my thinking back then in the 80′s or 90′s, I just knew I loved the town. I also knew I hated eastern Canada, the eastern media, and really hated Toronto. Typical Vancouver stuff….
Then I came to see no future for myself in the area. Salaries were low, industry was stagnant, and houses were expensive. An “average” middle class life with a detached house seemed like a pipe dream back then. Now? Fantasy… That equation didn’t work for me, so I left.
I moved to Toronto. I completed an MBA, found work at a bank and make some good coin.
You know what? Vancouver isn’t that great after all… All those years watching Tony Parsons brainwashed me to think how great my hometown was… Well, its not.. I moved here with that chip on my shoulder. Funny thing is, people here in Toronto actually like Vancouver. People here think BC is a great place. They like the Island, love the Okanagan etc… I was shocked to see how my hatred of all things eastern wasn’t matched by a hatred for all things western. Locals here in TO would ask me why Vancouverites hated Toronto. I couldn’t really answer. I very quickly came to realize how brainwashed I was. Living here, I now realize that Vancouver isn’t really all what it’s cracked up to be. Sure I miss my family, friends, the Canucks, Douglas Fir.  Other cities have even more to offer their citizens. TO has an amazing theatre scene. Tons of festivals and cultural events. Imagine, the police don’t tell the citizens to stay home on New Years… And Sports? Pretty sweet… I have Blue Jays season tickets for $100. How is kool is that? I have season tickets to the Buffalo Bills for $450. Awesome. There are real things to do here, and I mean things that don’t include gore-tex. Real activities, not just the mythical ski, sail and golf on the same day crap we get fed from kindergarden onwards. But, Toronto is a fantastic city. Not only is the city alive with people and culture, but the standard of living is much higher. The salaries are better, and RE is lower. That’s an equation I can live with. Other cities in the area… Chicago? Awesome. Montreal? Fun. Ottawa? Great. Who knew there was a whole world outside of the “Greatest place on earth”?
If things ever return to normal in Vancouver, maybe I’ll move back. Until then, count me as one of the many professionals who left the West Coast for greener pastures…”

12 Responses to “If things ever return to normal in Vancouver, maybe I’ll move back. Until then, count me as one of the many professionals who left the West Coast for greener pastures…”

  1. sorry but i ‘d choose vancouver over toronto anytime. even with the huge premium. we have MILD weather unlike the extreme cold WINTER weather and the extremely HOT weather in the summer.

    this guy is probably trying to justify his move out. =)

  2. another genxr

    I’m also Vancouver born and raised. The scenario described is just like mine…UBC undergrad and MBA grad in early 1980′s. No jobs in Vancouver for my specialty (Finance). so moved to T.O. and found out Toronto has a lot to offer. I like the cold winters and the hot summers. I’ve also live in Hong Kong, L.A., New York, and Dallas…. T.O.’s proximity to Buffalo makes it easy to fly to New York, Myrtle Beach, Florida, Vegas, Europe, etc.

    Would I go back to live/retire in Van? No! not after seeing what other cities have to offer and how cheap cost of living is compared to Vancouver. Over the years I’ve found that Vancouverites who haven’t lived anywhere else for a long period can’t see the forest because all they see is the big, whopping Douglas fir in front of their nose. I just tend to tune them out when they start pontificating how Vamcouver is the “best place on earth”. I’ll take New York or Vienna any day.

    e-Vancouverite..and proud of it!

  3. My family originally came from Ontario and actually miss the weather: it’s nice to have four distinct seasons each with their benefits and drawbacks, but none so long you go nuts – instead of two seasons Sunny and Gloomy, with gloomy hanging about at least five months and sometimes six.

    As I said, I won’t leave Vancouver because my kids need their grandparents, and I like this area for reasons besides people. (Lack of bugs. Abundance of trees. Great hiking.) But to me, weather is the least of what the Pacific North-West has to offer: I throw weather onto the “Cons” side of the pros and cons list.

  4. I noticed that, too, that Toronto doesn’t hate Vancouver. When I moved to B.C. I was so shocked at how much people in Vancouver hated Toronto and thought Vancouver was the best place ever, people that had never set foot east of the Rockies their whole life!!

  5. I’m a CA, my wife is a school teacher. When she’s done her Masters, we’re out of here. Vancouver sucks – too much traffic and too many bad asian drivers, shitty weather and overpriced cost of living. Best place on earth my ass.

  6. It is almost like reading my own story. I miss my parents, my sister and my friends in Vancouver, but I need to make a living and I have a family to take care of. This is my 14th year in Toronto. I started absolutely hating this place to embracing it today. I have more friends in TO now than in Vancouver. As for the weather, thanks to global warming, TO feels more like Vancouver 20 years ago – little snow and truly cold for only a few weeks.

  7. Sounds like the guy is pretty fickle. You can learn to love most cities once you’ve been there long enough to see what it has to offer. Every city has its pros and cons, and Vancouver’s biggest con right now is cost of living.

  8. @genxr: Toronto barely had a winter this year. It was colder and snowier in Washington DC than Southern Ontario. Heck, Texas had more snow.

    And the past few summers haven’t been that hot either.

    I’ve lived in both cities myself – Toronto beats Vancouver by miles. Not nearly the amount of druggies either.

  9. vancouver is overrated severely – high cost of living, nothing to do unless you are into hiking/skiing and wearing gore-tex 24/4 so it’s impossible to tell whether you are a man or a woman, shitty weather (rain that lasts days weeks, months with clouds that hang so low you can touch them). Best place on earth? whatever, keep telling yourself that.

    it’s May 31st and I am wearing my winter coat, cause it’s gray never-ending drizzle and 9C. this sucks.

  10. I hear Windsor is a great place to live. Anyone care to comment about that?

  11. I moved to Vancouver 1.5 years a go and I want to leave this place so bad.
    It rains all the time, a lot of people thinks there are not better place than this. (soooo annoying!) they say everybody wants to move to Vancouver
    taxes are super high…
    real state…not even talk aotut it… WAY OVERPRICED….
    Scenario is pretty…but it doesn’t worth it!!!!!
    weather is sucks!

  12. I lived in Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary and now I am in Windsor. It’s the best place I ever lived at. Affordable, nice people and better driver.

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